GSDCA sieger show - Page 5

bzcs,

The multiple breed standards are very evident. Grab your SV magazine and flip through the pages. You'll see dogs showing, dogs trialing, dogs doing agility, some service dogs, some search and rescue dogs, hearding dogs, and on the cover of the March 2012 issue, you'll see a German Shepherd catching a frisbee. Is that enough to show you? It's how the Germans perceive the breed, a dog for all people.

I'm still awaiting your explanation of how you feel that just because you like what you like it means someone else shouldn't like what they like. Please explain!

Dog, there is only ONE standard, the FCI standard, made by the country of origin, in this case Germany - within this standard there are varieties, but  ALL OF THEM have to trial ( IPO, herding, or RH2, not even mentioning AD and BH in the forefield ), have to be x-rayed in front and rear, have to be shown ( G or better ), have to be DNAed, and have to be breed surveyed prior to breeding.
Your dog is not able to achieve ALL of the above ? NO pink pedigrees...

there is one standard. In the SV magazine you will see different intereptations of the Standard. The german refer to the difference as "HIGH LINES'' and '' WORKING LINES'' but there is one standard. The WUSV informed the GSDCa to adhere to the standard about 10 years ago. Maybe having both national events at the same venue back to back weekends is good for education. The breeders, owners, and judges can come together as one under the banner GSD. This could be a significant year! 

"Yeah because the 7 people planning to go to NASS will have a big decision to make!  "

 from the same person that, last year, at the last minute planned a regional conformational show on the same weekend as nass...

tisk, tisk.... Kieth, you've already shown what kind of a sportsman you are.

 

uh dog1.  Those are variances within the breed standard.  Still one standard.

Show me a differnt standard, not a different dog.  Do you understand the difference?

I like the GSD so I advocate for the GSD.  I'm allowed to.  If you like the GSD then follow the breed rules.

If you don't, then don't.  Do I need to use smaller words?

"I will be amazed if the GSDCA has scheduled their sieger show on the same dates as WDA."

Yeah because the 7 people planning to go to NASS will have a big decision to make!

And, yet, the two shows are within a week or so of each other.     Realistically, this does mean that the people most likely to want/consider/plan to enter will have to make a choice.  Simple monetary factors dictate that "most," if not all, will have to make a choice between what is essentially two competing Sieger Shows.    It makes sense that the GSDCA would put some type of SV-style event on the schedule for its major national event.  Frankly, I had expected anIPO trial to be worked into the naitonals schedule.  I was actually quite stunned when a member of te GSDCA's working (or whatever they call it) committee called and told me about the GSDCA Sieger Show several days ago.   I would think that working in a show requiring multiple judges and two BIG  rings (especially by AKC standards) would create much more of a logistical nightmare than simply holding an IPO trial.  ( Maybe there was some concern about some of  the ASL folks not taking too kindly to that biting-dog activity?)  At any rate, my questions about the logistics and scheduling went unanswered.  In any event,  this should be an excellent venue for educating some other breed aficionados who, perhaps, have never seen the "German dogs" that they had always heard were "big and ugly,"  "vicious," etc.   Let them see the showing and judging style (I'd pay good money for a video of the ASL reactions to the double-handling antics), and by all means, let them see the performance test portion (especially with explanations).  Hopefully, some members of the working committee will ensure that the educational opportunity is not missed.

I  also wonder how the SV views not only two essentially compeing Sieger Shows by the formerly "conjoined twins" now acting independantly, but also the mere fact that one county (USA) in one year now has THREE Sieger Shows.  Granted, the USA is  physically larger  than several European countries combined, but does that "justify" three Sieger Shows?    Maybe all that matters is the increased opportunity for SV conformation judges to come over.

Before any miscreants attempt to signify about it, NO, it is not an "issue" that matters much to me.  I have only attended two USCA Sieger Shows--one  hosted by a club of which I was a member and volunteer at the time, and the other because it was virtually in my backyard.  I have also attended a half dozen or so  Canadian Sieger Shows in the past twenty or so years.  They were also  virtually in my backyard. 

Susie, if only that would all work as intended.

This is the correct dates and the available information for the Sieger show. If you want to contact any of these people, their email addresses are on the GSDCA.ORG website:

2014 GSDCA Sieger Show

Driving distance between the 2 Sieger shows is about 630 miles.

Susie,

In the USA, there is a mentality that says (often quite literally)" Nobody tells me what to do with my property." In this case, the property is a dog.  For the AKC, all a dog needs is to be a recognized breed registered with the AKC and it is breed away.   There is no requirement that the dog even be 2 years old--puppies from puppies can be registered.   Mother to son breedings can be registered.   Brother  to sister breedings can be registered.  Blue, liver, piebald, Panda, striped or checkerboard gsds can be registered.    It is still the Wild West here,  as far as dog-breeding, is concerned.   

Those of us trying to adhere to  and support the FCI/SV breeding standards are a very, very small minority of the German Shepherd community here.  In some circles, we are seen  as "freaks" and "fanatics" for believing that a dog must be at least two years old and  have hip/ elbows certified prior to breeding.   Add our requirement of a title demonstrating basic breedworthiness, and an endurance test (horrors!!) on top of a show rating, and we are viewed as being akin  to some type of  Nazis.   Remember, this is the land of "you can't tell me what to do."