Temperment ? - Page 4

Again Echo, You completely miss the point.

No I did not miss it, but what I also did not miss is that yet another person falls to the attacks of others who HIDE !!! Hodie, I have always respected your views/opinions may not always agreed with them, But always respected them. Also respect the fact you don't hide !! Also very much respect the fact that you are very willing to help other individuals first, if your offer of explanation is not accepted you "typically" don't go on the attack. While others here go on the immediate attack without ever offering a single piece of "DESCENT" information !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO I DID NOT miss it.

EchoMuddles, why do you take the time to list rhetorical questions that have little or no point? I've seen more than once when a statement is made by you and someone questions the validity of the statement or expresses an opinion contrary, you either go on the attack or start one of your 'poor little me' threads. 'Why do you detest anyone who wishes to expand ones education ?' That is rich. You know how untrue that is yet you use that as a form of attack. I very much enjoy discussing pertinent topics, but come on 'which is more important health or temperment?' How mundane. It's a pointless argument. Why not ask what's more important on a car the engine or the tires. The dog is a total package. No, I can't fix anything by my self, but neither do I drop 5 litters on the ground in three years , get a BH and try to pass myself off as an expert. (How many people have question you for passing yourself oof as an expert and then you play your game.) I get a kick out of how many and which people run and hide on certain subjects. I was only criticizing Hodie for getting serious when we had so many other frivolous subjects to write about. By the way I don't think I'm the only person who believes we, as a breed, have propblems and would like to see them fixed.

And now you would be the one who has missed the point. The topic of Health, Temperament, Ability was for good discussion, if your not interested in it don't participate, But WHO the He** are YOU to decide it's a Useless discussion ? Who are you to decide that someone might not get a new perspective from such a topic, I certainly did not go into the discussion with my neck bowed one way, but the more information that has been gathered from others thoughts/opinions/feelings, I am coming to more solid conclusions. Nothing wrong with seeking how others feel about certain subjects, sometimes the diversity can make you feel differently about things. Shipping for example !! Have NEVER claimed to be an expert !!! I have offered what I know, when I thought it might help. Could say far less for yourself, You have never offered one descent thread of information to anyone here EVER !! Only attack anyone who does try to help others. If you want to see things "fixed" so badly why not start with your attitude, People might very well respond to your "liking" if you would post in a manner that could be respected, or even considered descent. Attacking someone only puts them deeper into they're own feeling of things, and makes them regress instead of allowing them to make progress by being allowed to seek without Heckle from YOU the information/input they desired in the first place. You would accomplish far more by offering up your honest views/opinons/feelings rather than being so counterproductive and Immediately going on the attack of every single person that asks for information/thought. This younger generation you hate so much spook, IS the future of the GSD would you have them educated or go in BLIND ?????

Dear Muddles, I don't hate you. I didn't write anything on the thread you started. I never address you unless you address me. You read something I wrote to another individual and attacked me; on more than one thread I may add. You do this often. When you go into your rant it is apparent that you either can't comprhend or don't read others posts. It is all in the eye of the beholder. You can take or leave what I say. It is of no consequence for me. I won't bother answering the rest of your attack.

truly in the eye of the beholder !! nice way to back out by the way. Everytime your called on the carpet you bow out "ever so gracefully" Had you not been making a personal thrash on me this little debate would have never ensued. I would have to disagree with your above "reasoning" as it seems pretty clear your the one who hacked at me with the first blow here. None the less I see you completely ignored the most important part of the point to be made here, No point to beating a dead horse.

You guys are off topic, and even though I'm not going to condemn it (sometimes I do it myself), the girl who initiated this topic has a problem. She also intimated she might put her dog to sleep. Being in snow country, there is probably little access to some adequate intervention as well. Mysti-- No one here can see your dog and you. Very hard to offer advice, but I've been thinking about your dog on and off for the past couple of days. Having no idea of your experience with dogs and GSDs in particular, please don't take offense to my suggestions if you are already doing the following: Buy a mesh muzzle and slip it on your dog casually. Leave it on for only a minute. Then remove it, giving a treat and high praise. Repeat this a couple of times during the day. He may never come to love the muzzle, but at least he won't be terrified of it. Then, whenever you do anything that he feels is unpleasant or domineering, if he decides to rebel, the muzzle will offer you protection. Use this method for clipping nails, brushing, taking temp, etc. Eventually, just putting the muzzle on will cause the dog not to react to stimulus. He knows it's useless. Also, have a handle leash on him at all times. It makes for a fast, easy correction. As with the muzzle, the dog knows you're always in control, and again, it's useless to even start a confrontation. These two tips will help somewhat until you read up or get personal help. There are millions of dominant dogs out there with people who understand them. You will learn--have faith. Even wonderful dogs can be stinkers about clipping nails. Don't let anyone fool you there. One of my guys needed 4 people to hold him down when a vet would clip his nails. At age 4, he protested so violently that he burst a blood vessel, and the white of one eye turned red. After that fiasco, he was anesthetised for nails. He was a very good boy--just didn't like to have his nails clipped or ears cleaned. I understood and accepted these traits. You learn methods to deal with them. It's not the end of the world. Of course, there could be more going on with your dog; but, until a truly competent and caring person who understands and can read a dog correctly comes into the picture, I wouldn't give up on him. It might just come down to adjusting your behavior to make a world of difference. What I find strange about all this---dominant behavior usually surfaces very early. (The puppy that won't allow ear cleaning or screams in the bathtub, even when they realize they're not being hurt. You know--spend the entire time trying to get out.) Oh well, I hope everything works out Mysti. Don't forget the meds. Good luck.

Go get your GED. Maybe learn how to put together a clear, concise sentence. Hopefully, then you'll be able to convey 'the most important part of the point to be made here.' You think too highly of yourself; it's not all about you. Now go away.

Hi Mysti, We have spoken and met before! Please feel free to call me and I can meet with you to evaluate and see the temperament of your boy. We do not live that far from one another. I would agree with the other posters who think it is being caused by his age, and a lack of knowledge on your part on how to set boundaries, and be alpha. I would recommend Dr. Dugger at Central Valley Animal Hospital to consult with regarding his hips and possible remedies for him. He is an excellent and caring vet, and so are the rest of his staff. If you would like a more natural or holistic approach, Dr. Calm in Kila is awesome. She does acupuncture and chiropractor work on dogs as well. Since you are breeding your dogs and have already sold a litter(s?), being able to read temperament and know how to handle this breed is extremely important. The club in Spokane would be a good route to go. But please, do continue to educate yourself before you choose to have any more litters. A breeder needs to be educated enough to help their puppy buyers with these situations as well.

Kaykohl Land, I hope you are mistaken and Mysti has not been breeding litters......Please tell us it is not so.