What would you do? - Page 8

Lmh,

You couldn't be further from the truth. 2000 is not a strain, but it is a good chunk of change for most everyone who works and saves for their puppy. 

If she had been everything that I had wanted, then none of this would be here. She would have been my final addition for the next several years.

Buyers remorse? No, this pup was not what I asked for (IMO). I could have easily saved myself money by forfeiting my deposit, that I put on this pup well before the litter was even conceived.

Breeder was angry that I said she was not the dog I described that I wanted, NOT that we didn't "just not want" her. So I came here for opinions to see if my decision was off base, expectations way too high etc.... and more than 1 would send the dog back. I'm still not breedr bashing, because regardless this person is as ethical as I have found in their dog dealings. I would still reccomend his dogs to people I know, looking for that type of dog. Can someone ask questions without having an ulterior motive?

Again, way off base. You're thinking way too much into this.

I am thnking that pup needs probably a one on one person also;  not kids, cats and other dogs to share her life with...  JMHO  Nan

cage, a major difference in your experience and melba's is that you saw the pup before receiving her while she was still with her breeder, on familiar turf and with familiar people around her in addition to you--and she readily engaged with you there, so you knew she wasn't averse to doing so with someone unfamiliar.  That experience undoubtedly gave you no reason to think she would never come around for you after you brought her home.

Melba didn't have the benefit of a similar home-turf experience to reflect back upon, only her experiences with an large array of pups and adults from the same lines and breeding combinations...none of which were on par with what this particular pup showed her upon arriving in North Carolina. That was one reason I asked if melba had meet either the sire or dam, as I wondered if one of them might also be deeply stoic and sincerely reticent to just hand over its allegience to someone he or she doesn't know.  I still wonder if one of the parents might not favor that personality, but it's also possible that the trait lies farther back in the lines and only surfaces every so often--and it's not a bad trait by any definition, though it's also not the type of personality that everyone clamors for in a puppy.

I really can't see why the breeder should be put out in any fashion over the event or this discussion--as mentioned multiple times by multiple people, the breeder does not come out looking badly in any capacity, and instead presents as one that does care about getting the absolute best placement for the pups they produce.  I don't read melba's statements as any form of indictment of the breeder's ability to read their pups and match them up with their new persons--and I would hope that melba wasn't trying to imply such, because common sense tells us that the breeder is not going to necessarily see the same traits displayed by a pup when it is in familiar surroundings and/or with familiar people, that the same pup will exhibit once it arrives in a strange place, with unknown people and unfamiliar dogs on the grounds, so the chance will always exist that what looked like a good match based on home-turf behaviors could be a different kettle of fish after the gauntlet of being shipped has been run and the pup is now faced with nearly nothing it has any familiarity with.

Martina, your guy sounds like he was a real rascal as a baby, and completely different in behavior from what the pup Blitzen received showed on arrival.  This entire thread has certainly served to remind me how fortunate I am to have been able to meet the dogs I've had before I agreed to purchase, adopt or foster them.

And LMH, if you've got a spare $2K or so you'd like to toss around without a care--hell, I'll take even less than that!--please don't hesitate to toss it in my direction. I know of several dogs for whom that money could be the difference between them losing their lives or getting another chance at finding the right person to love them.

That was nasty and unwarranted, Hexe.  Personally, I don't judge people on how much money they have. I let much go around here.......but this time, no.

Melba.....The first post here is dated the 19th.......her breeder's post is dated the 19th (same day, right before yours).  You must have sent that pup back over 3 weeks ago......but now pose your question to the database.  I never thought you were bashing the breeder, Melba.......just being unnecessarily protective.  But see where it can lead......I'm done on the subject.

Hexe, you´re right - I saw my pup in person before buying her. I was still quite confused about her for those first 3 weeks after her arrival to my house. That time I thought I was wrong with my pick. I think Hessy was just testing me like I had been testing her before,lol.

I just wanted to say that you´ll never know what the pup will turn into. I have seen puppies that were great, then teeth change comes or puberty and the dog is a crap /I apologize for that word as for me no dog is a crap/ and I have seen also pups that were nothing special to grow into top working dogs. 

However, if the buyer is not satisfied with the puppy I think it is better to return the puppy - it´s better for both the buyer and the puppy.

LMH, you insinuated that melba was overly concerned about what she paid for the pup--hell, your exact words were "you've alluded that a 2,000 loss would be a strain"--and yet my comment to you was 'nasty and unwarranted'?

I don't think most people had any idea of where the pup melba referenced even had come from, until you made a point of tying it to another post by another person. It is beginning to seem as if there's some alternative script the rest of the world knows naught about, and therefore what appeared to be nothing more than an invitation for others to weigh in with their thoughts on a difficult decision the OP made or was making was actually much deeper than it appeared..

I apologize to you if you found my way of noting that US$2K is hardly pocket change that no one would miss to be offensive to you--though I don't see how you make the leap to it meaning you judge people on the basis of their wealth. The intent was nothing more than a facetious underlining of the ridiculousness of anyone welcoming the opportunity to casually walk away from their hard-earned money. 

I didn't insinuate anything.  I outright stated it.  Just about every post mentions her concern for the 2,000.

I just erased my first response to you and then re-read your post several times because I was so aggravated and could easily misconstrue.  You thought badly of me.  We both know that. 

She sent the pup back---no issue there....as was expressed when I said "Could the pup not have been the best choice for you?  Of course."  I actually believed it was self evident for anyone who reads these threads who the breeder was and that 2+2=4.

I can let it go, Hexe.

some of you thought the dog was deaf from the orginal descprition!? are you serious? ever thought that maybe the dog just didnt want to follow some stranger around? some dogs are just genetically very aloof with strangers (even at a young age).  doesnt mean they dont want to work for their handler; they just dont know who the heck their handler is yet. 

as for dogs coming out of the crate biting; in my experience the ones that shoot out of the crate like a rocket and bite everything end up being the absolute best dogs. no matter if its for work or just a pet. a pup only mouths people its comfortable with or only mouths in comfortable environments. ever wonder why pups only land shark you and not random people? if a pup comes out of an airplane crate ready to rock and roll with complete strangers then that shows me a lot in term of the dogs nerves without having to do a volhard test lol. 

whoever said they would send a dog back if it came out biting can send the dog to me. in return i'll send you the dog that has been couped up for hours and when the doors to freedom opens would rather sit there in the tiny crate. we'll both be happy. 

"I actually believed it was self-evident for anyone who reads these

threads who the breeder was and that 2+2=4."   _ LMH.

Excuse me, but that is the most ridiculous statement I ever heard on PDB !

LMH if you really believe that you are sadly underinformed about the

membership here.  Apart from the fact that many of us are not in the States,

the USA is an awfully big place and there are hundreds maybe thousands of

dog breeders and tons of GSD kennels.  My reckoning is there were far, far

more readers not directly involved who didn't have a clue, as compared with

those few who do know where Melba is located and which breeder she has

this long standing connection with.  I also think that many of us might have

been able to work it out but chose not to do so, as that wasn't the issue.

Would you like a spoon to stir with ?

Wlhat is this Hundmutter?  Coming to admonish the "sadly underinformed" intruder?

Let's see.....we have "those involved who didn't have a clue" vs "many of us might have been able to work it out, but chose not to do so, as that wasn't the issue."  Who are you to say what the issue was?  You mean the issue for you?

I felt bad for the breeder.  If you don't like it, tough.  I'm no spoon stirrer.  Seems like the only spoon stirrer here might be you.  My statement that you quoted in your first paragraph and then said...."is the most ridiculous statement I ever heard on PDB!"....to ME is (just about) ONE of the most ridiculous statements I ever heard on the PDB!

SO YOU KNEW and thought nothing about the breeder's feelings.  Now THAT is stirring the spoon.....a remark typed as a cheap dig at you.  I will always call them as I see them.  AND....Hundmutter.....only someone who wants to annoy someone LIKE ME, knowing that I will come back and debate what you deem as the proper issue...is (in my book) an elite spoon stirrer.  I'll hand that spoon back to you now.

Good day.