GSD workingline Studs that most consistantly produce HIGH DRIVE offspring in U,S.A - Page 4

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No Bomber not excluded, I dont think Bomber has had very many threads focused mainly on him but I could be wrong,that said as far as I know Bomber not currently used with many or any outside kennel females,I also asked about Quardes and Chuck and I dont recall any comments on whats comming out of them or how consistant pups are out of them,the word consistant might mean diff. things to diff. people,for example if a Stud produces 20 percent likeness of himself in his offspring that  might ok, but someone else may like to see 40 percent/ 50 percent or even higher to have offspring as close to being like the Sire as possible,the sire owners, the bred female owners and puppy buyers and even training club members are in the best position on seeing what a certain Sire,s offspring are all about,I just noticed Hank is temp. in America if someone knows the details on him length of stay ? breeding female requirements ? etc, please share  Also a Sire does not have to be well known, a Sire can be more consistant only having five breedings than a Sire having 40 or more breedings. 

@Bundishep

how do you figure the numbers out. 20 or 40 percent. How do you proof that a dog is like his dad?

really wonder!!

As of this morning, the top three GSD listed in the Working Dog EU most visited dogs list are all Staatsmacht breeding. Quardes is two of them. In terms of popularity and results it is difficult not to put  Quardes in the top ranks. Yes there are many good studs out there, but finding them and proving them out can be difficult.

I do not and I will not compare Quardes with any other male her in the US. The same with my kennel!

i like proof for things and I like to see the product!!

Lets make it easier!! 

Is there any stud here in the US that have proof his quality by him self and in his off spring and is his off spring used for breeding and in special studs (males)

if a dog has made a 150 studs (750 pups)we all should find easy 15 sons(2 percent) in the world wide stud business. 

Lets hear!!!!!

but maybe that is too much proof if other breeders think that his sons are breed worthy.

Khaleesi23 you mentioned several males is there one or two or three of thoses you listed stand out the most to you ? staatsmacht you made some valid points,I.m not sure I understood your last entry if you can define it more please,I think tracking specific males are eaiser to track than a bloodline,with bloodlines things can get even more complicated real fast,some stud owners keep tract of what their offspring are like,not sure how many do it but the sire owner can keep in contact with puppy buyers and try to get a feel for how many of them closely resembled their sire if any..... of course the Dam has a major part and thats  the biggest varible that comes into play as far as born instincts go,the thread was never meant to be exact in looking at an exact percent of offspring closely having a likeness of the Sire but all inputs/feedback to the thread for how a Sire is producing is better than no feedback at all,consistancy,known proven males,and how uniform a litter is go hand in hand with other I would think, if some are interested Hank will be in the southeast USA for six months,I,m not sure how consistant his progeny are but I,ve heard good things on some and he has the same Sire as Bomber for thoses that liked Vito and what Vito produced

Too many people paying lip service to breed improvement. Some people are so blinded my names, lines etc...If is old czech it has to be awesome bla bla bla. I see some supposed stud dogs that can't get a full grip on a very familiar helper, dogs that nibble the sleve under very little environmental pressure. Breeders that never do environmental testing on their dogs. Should a dog be a stud if he can't go after a decoy in an unfamiliar environment and fight with a full calm grip? Dogs that can't get a decent grip on a suit because it's their first time...What happened to raw prey drive? We have to teach everything.

    I have no problem with people training low drive, weak nerved dogs but the way so may many people feel the need to breed these dogs leaves me perplexed. Take some of these dogs, ask the decoy to sit on the A-frame and see if they'll go up to bite.......I don't breed yet i still try and spice up training/testing. People should demand more from breeders. All these potbellied, 100 pound dogs that cat walk on the long bite should be out of the GSD genepool.

   Gucci v Esblokhof(Very nice Fado v d lutter son), Terror etc like someone said are really nice dogs.....Another problem is people will get a Male from one of these great dogs and assume that dog will be worth breeding.

 Its not the hyping , marketing  big and famous names

Breeding is an art , you have to do a lot of homework and  not focus too much on pedigrees most of the people

has never seen dogs and offspring  from the rest of the pedigrees than the stud.

Good breeding and quality  breeding for many years cost time and research from offspring  and knowledge from genetic

There are only a few people/ breeders  who understand this and most of this breeders stay on the background

I have learned they don,t have to proof themself and yes this are not that commercial breeders.

Thanks for everyone for suggesting some Stud names to be researched further and the links provided for looking them up, it looks like some very nice working males in the mix.