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by Ibrahim on 23 February 2015 - 18:02

Strong bonds with the handler over other dogs is largely genetic in my opinion. Could be that my experience is limited to fairly closely related litters that all have super strong handler responsiveness, but that's my experience, take it or leave it. That plays into what some might call "biddability" in my experience. My best dogs have never cared about their siblings, ever, regardless of how much time they spent together.  I really don't buy this whole "socialization" mindset where a dog needs to see everythig under the sun in its infancy just to be able to handle it confidently.

 

I like that


by Ibrahim on 23 February 2015 - 18:02

Sometimes we miss lack of strong nerves for lack of socialization


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 23 February 2015 - 18:02

Ibrahim, socialization is not done to introduce a dog to a puddle of water or a strange suitcase or a car that backfires from its faulty muffler. It is done to gauge the dog's reaction to these things and in cases like mine, it is done to make sure that IF the dog has a problem with a certain issue, you know it already, BEFORE it comes up.

It is best to test and expose and gauge all these issues when the puppy is 6-12 weeks of age. If a dog has weak nerves, exposing and socialzing wont make much difference, the underlying issue will always be there.


by Nans gsd on 23 February 2015 - 20:02

What Hired dog might need at the 6 weeks stage on is most likely way more complex than the average puppy person, particularly a novice would not need a 6 week old puppy, much more can be learned staying with siblings and mother and other influential adults than a puppy going to a novice at 6 weeks of age, however HD has much more experience and knowledge about what to do with a 6 weeks old puppy and his training beginning at that age would be very beneficial and for some jobs mandatory.  Good luck to all  Nan


Markobytes

by Markobytes on 23 February 2015 - 20:02

"Leaving pups together all day after 6 weeks only serves to make the stronger ones bullies and the weaker ones more submissive and imprint pack behavior with other dogs" this is a very true statement. I would not want to get a pup from a breeder who allowed the litter to be corrected by an adult dog. In some cases the mothers corrections are too much and a wise breeder will remove the bitch. Other bitches that will tolerate the puppies' obnoxious behavior without giving corrections can stay with the litter longer. 7 weeks is my ideal age to get a pup, the county I live in mandates 8 weeks. If the puppies are not raised for the purpose of going to the dog park, they don't need to be around other dogs.


Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 23 February 2015 - 20:02

Dear Jesus. I guess I need to clarify....again. Why is any dog who would overcorrect a puppy allowed anywhere near a puppy?! Duh. 

I was not talking about HD's idea of socialization (though I would say that he'd be surprised what they can handle if he got the right dog, even at an older age). I am speaking of the general rescue/pet mentality that blames crappy genes (shyness, overly submissive, overly dominant, overly aggressive, etc.) on lack of socialization/exposure. You're not going to make a strong dog weak by not socializing it obsessively, and you're not going to turn a regular dog into a bully just because it hangs out with its siblings regularly. You might make a weak dog LOOK strong by dragging it all over creation, but you still have the same weak dog- it only LOOKS better. 


by joanro on 23 February 2015 - 20:02

How does a weak dog look strong by dragging it all over the place?

When a pup at seven weeks old is walked out onto a dock with loud diesel ship engines droning in your head and semis blasting air brakes and all the noises include big jets flying low coming and going to a nearby airport, weak nerves in the pup are not going to be masked through repetitive visits. But the pup that takes it all in like he owns the place is going to shine. And it becomes the norm for him. Why waste time getting a twelve week old pup raised with a pack of dogs, following them out side to pee, not knowing their name from eight other pups' names that looks like a little firecracker because he learned his place in the pack...only to find out when the world becomes a huge noise factory with giant machines causing the very ground he stands on to shake, that he doesn't have the nerves he appeared to have in the organized chaos of home.


by Ibrahim on 23 February 2015 - 21:02

What is the idea here?

Is it bringing up the puppy in most pleasant environment till it leaves the breeder's place?

Or bringing up the puppy in as natural environment possible as would have been in mother nature?

 

It makes me wonder too, why we only teach the puppy positive things like win all time? when puppies and dogs play together not all win all the time !!! I know answer might be to build up confidence, but what happens if the dog someday faces a situation he does not win, won't he break for ever? why don't we also teach him as puppy, if you don't win this time it's not the end of the world?


by Blitzen on 23 February 2015 - 21:02

In many states, it is illegal to transfer a pup to its new home until it is 8 weeks old. 

The dog I mentioned here who plays with puppies does not ever correct those pups. He is very gentle with them, allows them to literally walk all over him and take his jolly ball if they can catch him - some can. His grandsire was the same way with pups. Personally I love males that are like that.

I also believe that females can be very dangerous with another female's litter. It's really not that uncommon in the dog world for a female to kill another's pups if given the chance.


by joanro on 23 February 2015 - 21:02

Anybody ever see a male dog's reaction when one or five, six or eight week old pups gets under him looking  for the teet and grabs the male's equipment? I'm talking little land sharks here, not soft fluff balls.






 


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