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by duke1965 on 10 April 2015 - 17:04

LOL

this dog in video is/was such dog was biting helper plus everybody else, was called unstable, shitdog, no good etc

turned out to be supergood dog , good civil more prey  but clearheaded and social boy, could overload in drive when taken of bite and redirect at handler, but that is drive no handeragression and easy to handle

is now in Israel and I hated to see him go, superpersonality

 


susie

by susie on 10 April 2015 - 17:04

Too much dog always depends on the handler and the surrounding like family.
Duke said it best, a dog may be the hell for one person, but the heaven for the next.

A lot of potential "police aspirants" arise from so called "pet" families not able to handle a working dog.
Definitely "too much dog" for them, but well raised dogs for a job ...

"Bad temperament" ? Temperament of a working dog breed or temperament of a pet?
For me a dog with bad temperament is a lazy, fearful dog, not willing to work and protect, without drives and aggression, but for the most people this kind of dog would be the heaven.

It always depends.


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

I can forgive a lot of things, handler aggression is NOT one of them, genetic or trained by anyone and for my temperament and personality, I need to feel secure, 1000%, that the dog sitting behind me will not entertain the thought of putting his teeth on me, on purpose, even in passing. Yes, I have had "accidental" bites, but, as soon as the dog realized what he did, it was over, it was an accident and we left it at that, after a "small discussion". Again, I need complete and total trust and confidence in my working partner, not to question every time we do something, I cant live like that.

 


by duke1965 on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

agree susie but the mali I posted was SWAT dog and the black one came from securitycompany, not from pethomes

 

 


by Blitzen on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

I hate to say much more about this since working dog people and show line people never seem to agree on much.  Any dog of mine that ever bites me purposly (or anyone else unprovoked) will get a fast one way trip to the big kennel in the sky. Like HD, I've been accidentally bitten (breaking up dog fights) but the second that dog realized what it did, it released its grip and dropped to the ground. IMO any dog that bites it's handler on purpose is not mentally stable. I had one GSD that bit me a few times and I would never put up with that again no matter how good the dog otherwise.


Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

The need/desire for faster training of dogs who will work straight out of the box for just anyone has led to a decrease of the kind of loyalty that prevents handler aggression, imho. But what do I know? I ought to stick to pretty puppy pictures and baking cookies, if I know what's good for me. 


by duke1965 on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

Blitzen, same as dogs bite helpers for different reasons and intentions, also dogs bite handlers for different reasons, so you have to judge every incident on its own, there is a bunch of videos on the net of malinois biting the officer or the officer standing next to him, are they mentally stable, Yes, are they well handled when in the top of their drives, No

KNPV trained dogs are sometimes giving problems, were in KNPV training the guy with the gun is allways the bad guy, so a desired reaction is linked to the presence of the gun, can you blame these dogs for biting an(other)policeman pulling his gun in action

so a lot of different options out there


susie

by susie on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

That says a lot about the handler qualities of said organizations... Shades Smile
That said the "quality" of a dog is always defined by the quality of its handler.


by Blitzen on 10 April 2015 - 18:04

duke, sorry but any dog of mine of any breed that turns on me would not be eating another meal at my house or anywhere else. I don't care what the circumstances. I am the leader of the pack and any dog that challenges that will never get a second chance. I can't have a dog that I can't trust or handle safely. I expect my dogs to respect me and not react to a piece of equipment. 

We live in different worlds and I am not condemning you or anyone else who thinks that a dog that turns on its handler or another officer isn't a nut case and is managable. I just wouldn't own one myself and would have it put down without giving it so much as a second thought.


by duke1965 on 10 April 2015 - 19:04

blitzen, did you ever hear the story of the rottie that was put down for agression to kids, and after being euthanized they found a bunch of staples in his ear, put there by the kids he bit

there are human errors/mistakes in 90 % of the cases






 


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