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Bundishep

by Bundishep on 10 September 2015 - 20:09

I know nothing about this kennel and there is normally two sides of a story, I do understand why they would not want to gamble with a third dog, to me to be fair a cash refund should be offered, if a dog fails for hips or elbows no breeder should blame it on food or enviorment a breeder should always give the puppy buyer the benifit of the doubt and just make things right.

LovesGSD007

by LovesGSD007 on 10 September 2015 - 20:09

I am so sorry, thanks for letting other know!

by Blitzen on 10 September 2015 - 21:09

I agee Bundishep.


Kimmelot

by Kimmelot on 10 September 2015 - 23:09

Its 2 different breedings, from same breeder. If the other puppies are normal, I would be leaning towards poor upbringing. Maybe the breeder should do some calls and ask people to submit hip x rays. I wouldn't replace or refund someone that wasn't sticking to protocol, or wasn't feeding a premium food. You cannot get out of a dog what you don't put in.. and nutrition is very important in the growth and mental capability of all animals.

Whisper

by sagey on 11 September 2015 - 00:09

There are studies showing that the environment seems to be a definite factor in a percentage of dysplasia cases. Poor nutrition, over exercising at too young an age, agility stunts while growing, and the opposite as well - too much time being in a crate. Many pet puppy families get a puppy and then go work all day, leaving the puppy in a crate or a very small area. Terrible for the joints.
I know of a breeder that has been breeding GSDs for over 20 years, and her mother, before her retirement, bred them for over 30. So together they have 50 years of GSD breeding under their belts. They have never in all that time raised a puppy up that ended up having dysplasia. Not one! She swears it is because they let puppies move at will for the first 7-8 months of their life by letting them run around her acreage (being GSDs they tend to stay close to the house, only going to visit the adult dogs at the kennel fence a bit off from the house). When they are 7-8 months old, she starts to kennel them. Her kennels are anywhere from 10x15ft. to 20x30ft. so they still have plenty of room to move about.
She has also gotten to the point that when she hears a family is looking for a puppy and they have owned a dog before that has had dysplasia, no matter what breed and no matter from whom, she won't sell them a puppy. She is that convinced that dysplasia would not happen (or at least chances are much, much less of it happening) if given the correct environment for health, which includes good food as well as movement at will as much as possible.


by hexe on 11 September 2015 - 01:09

I also can easily understand why the OP wouldn't want to get a third puppy from the same breeder, even as I understand that there is a limit to what is within the breeder's control, just as there's a limit to what the buyer can control as well. I'm sure the breeder is as disappointed as the OP with the situation, though perhaps the communication between the parties was too tense for the latter to convey that emotion.

As I said in my first comment in this thread, it is impossible for anyone to guarantee that a puppy produced by a breeding they've done will not develop with hip or elbow dysplasia, so the only options to completely avoid dealing with this condition would be to purchase an adult GSD, or to select a different breed wherein HD is an anomaly and not a common occurance. Perhaps that would be something Larryindallastx might consider, instead of forsaking the breed completely when it is clearly dear to him--purchasing a young adult whose hip status is already established, instead of rolling the dice again on another puppy.

As for not feeding a 'premium food', well, there's more damage to be done by overstoking the fire with the so-called 'premium foods' than by using a basic commercial brand, because the ultra-rich, high protein and high fat feeds push the dog's metabolism far too much and DO lead to things such as panosteitis and osteochondrosis. Those high-octane feeds increase not the basic canine growth hormone (GH), but also insulin-like growth factor (IGF), triiodothyronine (T3) and thyroxine (T4). Hmm...wondering why we've been seeing an increase in the number of GSDs being treated for hypothyroidism as adults, anyone?

When working in the veterinary clinic, we saw just as many dogs that were fed commercial 'premium' feeds, as well as homemade and raw diets, come in with allergies, joint issues, gastrointestinal issues and the like as there were the dogs fed basic, supermarket-available commercial dog foods who we saw only once a year for their annual check ups. I will say we always advised, and I still prefer to see, people stay away from the varieties that contain bits of faux meat or veggies and/or lots of colorartion--not a big fan of artificial coloring agents, and those fake 'meaty' bits and fake pieces of carrots or peas are generally nothing more than modified food starch, more artificial coloring and lots of sugar. Beyond that, if the food meets the basic AAFCO standards, it should be quite sufficient to raise a healthy, sound dog from a pup, if food intake and exercise are appropriately moderated by the owner.

by tglham on 11 September 2015 - 04:09

I propose to settle whereby Vollkommen Kennel:
1) refund in full the original sales price of Izzie, $1600 if my memory serves me well; 2) reimburses me for X-rays and OFA certification of Chica, $312; and 3) pays the cost of $262 to have Chica spayed next Wednesday, 9/2; and 4) removes the reference on your website that 1 of 50 pups may develop hip dysplasia.

This proposal will terminate by 5:00pm tomorrow, 8/26/15.

Sincerely
Larry McCutchen

This is from the person who authored this post....he is an attorney for the IRS and seems to get some satisfaction from threatening and attempting to intimidate anyone who fails to bow to his demands.
I offered him replacement puppies from 3 different litters, who were according to him "not acceptable". He then wanted me to import and pay for a puppy plus shipping from Germany. He threatend to take me to court and force me to come to Dallas for the proceedings. Through all this I continued to offer to do the honorable thing and replace the puppy or give a partial monetary refund.
Finally we had a puppy that he agreed was
an "acceptable" replacement.
To preclude any possible legal aftermath my attorney drafted a contract, which he signed, in which he agreed that the replacement puppy was only guaranteed to be in good health and current on all worming and vaccinations at the time of delivery.
I am very sorry that Chica is dysplastic we do everything in our power to be sure that we produce puppies that are structurally correct, healthy, outgoing and social. For the most part we are successful. When there is a problem we make every effort to treat the client as we would want to be treated. Obviously that is not enough for a very few.
He has vowed to to take his battle to social media and said that he is "just getting started"
An honorable man would abide by the contract that he agreed to and signed.


by xbitetab on 11 September 2015 - 06:09

Thanks for the truth that many of us already were aware of
I called the poster as he did post his number for discussion personally and he returned my call the next day
Upon telling him of the feelings I knew he felt about having to learn about HD with his puppies but that I personally knew the breeder and upon my trying to explain the calling this kennel a BYB was not very good thing to do .
I got a robust reply from him that his vet said the breeder was very unknowledgeable about breeding, even though the vet does not know this breeder. As I was explaining that there is never an intention to pass off this problem with this breeder and the vet should not say those accusatory remarks

HE HUNG UP ON ME>.

IT was not till today I spoke with a wonderful honest , gentle and caring friend I have known for years and she explained what actually happened and has all data , emails, calls and letters . I do not need any further
proof.
I think the most any of us can say Is if we Walk with Humility and know from whom our success comes from and we give God the glory , which is how this kennel operates and is successful then that speaks for it all.

Bullying and threats by this client to this breeder were unwarranted.

I think this thread should be closed as now we have both sides in fairness.

by Ibrahim on 11 September 2015 - 10:09

We should always give benefit of doubt to the other side. It is a big mistake to try to destroy the reputation of a good breeder, the consequences are tremendous and looser is the breed itself.
Recently I lost a puppy at 1 year age due to bloat, I did not think of blaming the breeder for a second, it is my bad luck, breeder is good, honest and known to friends of mine, why make her unnecessary trouble when she sold me a 3 month healthy beautiful pup at a fair price, no one would have known at that time the pup will have a bloat, is it a thing in the line? Who knows? Is the breeder to blame? Nooooooo, is it bad luck? Yes it is. Do I feel bad, of course I do but that does not mean I have to blame the breeder. A good breeder should be encouraged to improve the breed for the benefit of both, the breed and we people involved.
Just imagine this breeder is one of the good ones, what are you doing to her?
I suggest you reach a fair settlement with her, enough guys vouched for her. Please.

Ibrahim

Smiley

by Smiley on 11 September 2015 - 12:09

I agree with Bundishep too.





 


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