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by Abhay on 10 March 2007 - 05:03

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BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 10 March 2007 - 05:03

Kinda sounds like Horse Racing. ^@@^

by Do right and fear no one on 10 March 2007 - 05:03

Abhay: I also feel silly, arguing that a GSD could fair well in a fight against a Pitt. As someone else stated here, it does not make any sense that a breed of dog bred for hundreds of years, purposely to fight other dogs or bulls, could be handled by a breed of dog that is relatively new (a hundred years or so), and has been bred first for herding sheep and then for police or military work. What strain of Pitts are you familiar with? Surely, you of all people, understand that an amateur fighter up against a professional fighter, has little to no chance of winning. There is a HUGE difference between a bar room brawler and a professional boxer or kick boxer. It is the same scenario with the Pitt and GSD. Why are we even debating this? I guess we a re both bored and up late (depending on where you are). Yes, I would like to know who you are. You seem to think that I would have heard of you, if I knew your name. Why is it that so many people come to this web site and don't tell anyone who they are? I don't get it. There can't be that many people hiding from their ex's :) For your info: I am a hillbilly, born in Cincinnati, from parents and relatives who lived in the backwoods of Kentucky and participated in Pitt Bull fighting. That was many years ago and I abhor it, but I am familiar with it. I am also a retired police officer and have busted dog fighting rings during my career. I have seen what is left of a GSD after a Pitt got done with it. Dog fighters will pick up or steal any kind of dog, the tougher the better in their eyes, to train their Pitts with, getting them ready to go against other Pitts for money. I have also seen what is left of Rott's, Dobe's and many other breeds. Admittedly, they are always in an enclosed area and had no chance of excape. It is truly sad and disgusting. During my career, I wanted most of all, to bust dog fighters. No other arrest gave me more satisfaction. Unfortunately, the penalties are not that severe. A fine and a few days in jail. Many missing dogs end up as training fodder for Pitt Fighters. Why oh why, do I get into these arguments on this web site. I gotta get me a life ;-)

by Do right and fear no one on 10 March 2007 - 05:03

Okay, so I don't know the bloodlines of Pitts as well as you. I guess that makes me one of the non- participants. I should get an attaboy for that. I think your post was the best argument against your assumption in the first place. The racoon story was in response to your assertion that a slick shepherd was a good fighter against a Pitt Bull. It was also in response to your question as to if any of us unknowing mortals who baby our babies, had ever actually witnessed our dogs fighting other thigs (you said humans, badgers, etc.). Admittedly, it was a mutt, but it was crossed with a decent dog, a Rott. If it could not take more than a minute against a racoon (which a decent Pitt would have dispatched in under a minute), what chance would it have had against a Pitt? You started out by saying a good GSD could hang with or get the best of a Pitt. Then you changed to, he could last a while if not in an enclosed area, and would eventually lose, but could last long enough to give you time to rescue him. Which is it? He can win or he can last long enough to let you rescue him? Would you let your GSD fight a Pitt if it came after him in your back yard or would you rescue him/her? You wouldn't want to have a "pansy" dog, would you? It might get out to your friends. The ones with the Red Boy lines, no booties, just pretty Rudolph noses, whcih are oh so common. Because no one likes to lose (including me), and everyone likes to get in the last word (including me), these little arguments can go on and on. So, I will let you answer my questions and you may have the last word. I wish you well in whatever you do, whoever you are.

allaboutthedawgs

by allaboutthedawgs on 10 March 2007 - 05:03

Abhay,

There is a member of this board who has been belittled for a while now.  This member didn't really rise to the bait for quite some time.  But eventually posted a sort of resume of easily verifiable information.  Quite a jawdropper.  Don't make the mistake of thinking people who aren't abrasive or antagonistic are wimps.  It may not be advisable either to speak in such glowing terms of those who are dog fighters when you are  posting on a GSD breeders board. 

I don't see it as a viable topic, this business of who would win a dog fight.  I think a better topic may be: Who is the more responsible dog owner.  I have opposable thumbs instead of paws or hooves. Which puts the onus on me to foresee and forestall a bad situation and, hopefully, avoid it altogether.

If you have these martial arts skills, I would think one powerful snap kick under the chin with a followup axe kick to the top of the head should just about stun an animal sufficiently to grab the neck and choke the windpipe. I've seen warrior martial artists knock another down with one palm heel strike. Not saying I could but I certainly could/would hold my own.  Still, my dog is my companion and I am hers.  Hopefully we are BOTH of the opinion that we will put ourselves in harms way for the other.  As the human, my job is to see that we are not put in the situation.

You say trouble is never far away.  Perhaps it would be further away if you toned down the swagger just a hair.


by Abhay on 10 March 2007 - 06:03

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by Abhay on 10 March 2007 - 06:03

allaboutthedawgs, I didnt realize I was using glowing terms about dogfighters when I called them Scum of the Earth. I am finished with this, but if you have a problem with me, my e mail works at oksid@herzeleid.net

by Do right and fear no one on 10 March 2007 - 06:03

Okay, I tried, I really tried. But you started talking like I am an idiot, so here goes. "For everyone's information a good GSD can hang with, or get the best of a Pitbull. For a while anyway on open ground. The GSD is larger and fast, which allows them to control the head and ride while tucking the front legs." That my friend, is a cop out. What in the hell does "for a while" mean? Ten seconds? Ten minutes? You know Abhay, it seems you have everything from Chihuahua's to Coyotes. I defer to your larger experience and managerie. Oh, I can't let this one go. A coon is a Bad Ass, and can whip your shepherds ass :) If you don't believe me, pen them up together. Apparently you have done that before with your "best Pit that ever lived". Try it with you GSD and let me know the results. I could have mentioned the following old bloodlines: Eli, Carver,Alligator (better known as gator/s), Wilder, and Butthead or I could have mentioned a more recent line: Mugleston's. But you didn't know what a Red Nose was, and I didn't want to argue the point and make you look bad (I am afraid you will kick me on my china chin:), but their actually is a bloodline of some renown that are known as "Red Noses" and I can point you to a place in Oklahoma where they specialize in breeding the "Red Nose" bloodline, if you want. Now I am going to the link you provided and see what you are talking about. Oh, one more thing. Unless you were a police officer and have delt with missing dogs being found after being used by Pitt Fighter owners to train their dogs (or exercise them), you will have to defer to me. I have the experience there. I know they use treadmills and other means of exersizing them, but they do not exersize them by using other Pitts. They might get too hurt to win money later. Duh.

by Do right and fear no one on 10 March 2007 - 06:03

Okay, I went to your link. Nice muscles back then. I also looked like that back then, but I had that China chin :) I hope that wasn't an attempt to itimidate me because it didn't work. I was a Marine and everyone knows we aren't too bright. Besides, I am an expert with the great equalizer :) Just a silly question, what happened to your head? It was back in 1978, surely the IRS or whoever is not still looking for you :)

by Do right and fear no one on 10 March 2007 - 06:03

Who will win? Austin or Klitchko? If I understand it correctly, pro boxers do not spar with anyone of consequence. It would have been funny to see Cassius Clay practice with Sonny Liston :) or Tyson spar with (anybody who knew how to fight). Did he ever fight anyone really good? But I digress. Two last, last questions: You have to be about my age. How in the heck do you take care of thirty-five thousand acres of land, and approximately 100 dogs and animals? How would the Chihuahua's fare against the Pitt's? I once saw a Chihuahua beat a roving German Shepherd. It got underneath him and jumped up and bit his balls and hung on. The shepherd ran down the street screaming and when the Chihuahua let go, the shepherd did not stop running. Believe what you want:)





 


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