Where is Troas Von Haus Cimmerian? - Page 6

I have to chuckle at your last sentence, Blitzen.

Someone wanting to criticize a dog or its pups should look at what the breeder has produced previously. Haz didn't find Truce (or I guess we'll never know since he didn't seem to understand that they are two different dogs) acceptable, yet Kurt Hill used him and kept a pup back for himself. Did he look back at the last litter Kurt bred and see what happened there?

Here's a clue. 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=439031-alex-vom-eisenhaus

Ill try to get to all of you folks dont worry :).

Bulletin, Haz.....no one cares about your opinions of GSD's. Try the malinois forum.

Strange Blitzy your posting in my direction.  We both know who knows and doesnt know... :).  Maybe all the talk about color and Show championships attracted you to this thread?

 

I think your case would be stronger if you could tell the difference between Troas and Truce.

Jenni....I have no issue distinguishing between the two.  Your the one who brought up the other dog and tried to make it about him.  However, Ill bite.  Lets talk about Truce..any accomplishments or (drumroll) working/trial video?  I mean a dog that great there must be something..right?

1. If you are referring to my OP entitled, "Where is Troas Von Haus Cimmerian?" you are most certainly off-topic, and it is not your decision as to whether or not I can talk about where he is currently at on this forum. That is the decision of the administrators on this database.

Talk about whoever you want, Im talking about Troas to.

2. Troas is a National and UKC Champion, not just UKC. He is also the grandson of the great and very prolific Don vom Haus Iris SchH3/IP3, Kkl 1.

Wow tell me more about his show career and what his GRANDFATHER did...lol

3. It is really none of your concern what my untitled female has proven as she doesn't have to please anyone but my husband and me. For the record, she is obedience trained, retrieves, herds horses, and is a natural protector (barks as if she will kill you and stands down when told to with a great on and off switch). She will do anything I ask of her.

Thats nice but unfortunately proves and means nothing other then she is your favorite pet.

4. It doesn't make her less than anyone else's dog just because I haven't entered her in competitions, or she isn't "titled." It doesn't mean she can't be titled in the future. She is a young dog and who knows what may come next for her.

Title her or show her work at the minimum if your going to use her.  Otherwise your just another pet producer.

5. It is not my untitled females fault I haven't entered her in any trials, at this point in time, nor is it my fault. Not everyone can campaign his/her dogs due to various reasons such as health issues, etc. It doesn't mean she isn't a great German Shepherd. I don't understand why you keep hurling insults at people on this particular thread, including me. All I really wanted to know was where is Troas Von Haus Cimmerian? That is it!

Interesting so you have time to breed just not do any work with the dog to determine her ability, strengths, weaknesses etc.

You and every other starry eyed pet owner thinks their dog is great.  There is nothing wrong with that, I am glad you have fun together.  Until you prove her workability then you have no business breeding working dogs. Pets on the other hand?  Go for it!

 

The reason certain posters insist on seeing videos/photos is to give them ammunition to belittle the dog and/or the trainer or owner. I fell for it one time, posted a still photo of one of my GSL's clearing the meter jump with her dumbell - she earned her Sch 3 that day. The response was - she looks like a dropped ass black and red rabbit, etc.

Having WL's won't save you either. They will always find some meanspirited thing to say about any GSD unless they know and like/fear the owner or trainer.

Once again show me where I ran anyone down for just posting a video of them training a personal dog.  A dog that is not for breeding or being touted as something he or she is not.  It happens all the time right?

Last person I remember getting run down for posting vid on here was VK by some of the posters that are on here whining about me. If you look back you will see me complementing him on his dog while suggesting some technical changes.  So once again show me or stop with this BS.

 

 

I have to chuckle at your last sentence, Blitzen. Someone wanting to criticize a dog or its pups should look at what the breeder has produced previously. Haz didn't find Truce (or I guess we'll never know since he didn't seem to understand that they are two different dogs) acceptable, yet Kurt Hill used him and kept a pup back for himself. Did he look back at the last litter Kurt bred and see what happened there? Here's a clue. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=439031-alex-vom-eisenhaus

What happened Jenni, and why should I care what Kurt did?  Where are all these wonder dogs?  Who is using them and what are they accomplishing? 

Why should I care about some 15 year old dog that you didnt title or compete with.  By the way where are his elbow ratings, strange that they are left out.. ;) ?

Since you need to see some vids handmutter..
I post most of my vids directly to facebook these days but here are some older ones I have on youtube. None of these dogs where ever bred nor have I touted them to be of that quality. Thats what happens when your honest with yourself about what your dogs are and are not for those of you that are confused.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NItK1Ymia8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4UeU07_ik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVYGssfq-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIAptZyXIzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhEYsuuDQ1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ty50LLHKsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnJn9oCR9_U

Haz, I didn't used to have a problem with you, but right now I'm having a problem with you. I can't tell if you are slow, obtuse, deliberately antagonistic or D., all of the above.     Or maybe 20 years old and just in that phase where you shoot your mouth off about things you know absolutely nothing about.  

All WHAT "wonder dogs"? Kurt hardly breeds. He bred an A litter, and I have a pup from his B litter...many years later. You were probably in kindergarten when he bred the last litter. You have completely missed just about every point I have made. I hope the elbow ratings thing is a joke. That wasn't required until far more recently, but I'm sure you know that since you're such an expert on the breed. Again, Kurt was not the subject of the thread. 

Basically, you stuck your nose into a thread that you couldn't offer any insight on, then rather than admit maybe you should have stayed quiet, you ran with it and just kept digging, even after missing the point that there was nothing wrong with the dog I suggested as an alternative to Troas, who I totally agree with you about. 

A Truce pup hit the sleeve for the first time today. I'll see if I can get some video for you to analyze and make sure it passes your inspection. Sure would hate to feed a pup who wasn't up to your high standards based on your decades of experience. 

And you know, Haz, I really don't even disagree with your points about Troas and/or the breeding of dogs like him. But your tunnel-vision attitude of "show me the video" belies a level of inexperience that makes your abrasive posts kind of hard to swallow. Nothing personal...just how your posts read. You seem very very young, enthusiastic (good thing) but inexperienced and obnoxious. Not that I can't be obnoxious, but I do not criticize people's dogs or videos- ever.

Haz -Taz is a beautiful dog. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! Is Taz titled? If so, what is he titled in? Just curious as my "pets" can do what I just saw in your videos. My husband has worked them on all of the things I saw your dogs do. Dang, I need to be campaigning my German Shepherds. Maybe I can get my son-in-law to help me or my husband when football season is over (as he is a head football coach/trains English Setter/dog trainer). Plus, my son-in-law has 13 Belgian Malinois and a couple of them were bought by the local sheriff's department. He is the one that bought my male German Shepherd for me for as a Christmas present.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I heard the original owner of Troas, who had his sire SCHH3, IPO3 V Iltis von der Wildsau titled, was injured when he fell off a ladder. He kept this sire and placed all his other dogs with other breeders/homes since he couldn't work them anymore. Also, the mother of Troas was titled BH,AD(SCHH1) Franka vom Felsenschloß. EVERY DOG IN THE PEDIGREE FOR TROAS for the past four generations are titled. Troas was the only one not titled so let's pick on him. Why not? It is so much fun! I can only imagine what Troas would have accomplished if he had been campaigned.

FYI, my female German Shepherd is not my favorite pet, although I do love her. That is crazy to even assume this or say that. I have five English Setters (field trial dogs), one mean 14 year old Jack Russell, two natural protector German Shepherds (will attack tree, man or sleeve on command) and five Missouri Fox Trotters. It just so happens my male German Shepherd is my favorite "pet" and guess what? His hips are OFA excellent and elbows normal. I've had local vets ask me if I would consider using him as a stud for some of their client's German Shepherds. Guess what, I didn't breed him because his hips had not been OFA graded at the time. Another vet asked me a couple of weeks ago (after they were graded) about using him for a stud, and I told him I would have to check out the females first. I WILL NOT just breed my dogs to any ole' dog (especially one with fair hips or less).

News Flash: Both of my German Shepherds are natural protectors and would eat you up if I didn't call them off. They would definitely come at you as they are a great judge of character. You would reconsider calling them "just pets" if you saw them coming at you. LOL Judging by your post you appear to be dissatisfied with yourself and insecure. You are no more than an internet bully. You remind me of the students I used to teach in alternative school. Ha Ha

You said: You and every other starry eyed pet owner thinks their dog is great. There is nothing wrong with that, I am glad you have fun together. Until you prove her workability then you have no business breeding working dogs. Pets on the other hand? Go for it!
My response to the above is: IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHETHER OR NOT I BREED MY TWO GERMAN SHEPHERDS! THIS IS MY LAST POST TO YOU AS I DON'T MAKE IT A HABIT TO CARRY ON WITH UNEDUCATED KNOW IT ALLS THAT THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING BUT KNOW NOTHING.

I don't particularly care who you decide to have a problem with.
Ill comment on whatever thread I feel like commenting on and the likes of you will not impact that choice either way.
Im glad you have a puppy that bit a sleeve, what that proves I can't imagine. It would take an exceptionally abysmal quality dog to not meat that standard. Post the vid though Ill be honest.



You seem to want to make this personal. I will always have more to learn. Thats why I train with and seek out those that have PROVEN themselves in the breeding and training of these dogs.

That being said, I am quite confidant in my training and ability to read dogs, what is there and what is not. I know enough to know when someone or multiple someones are spewing sensless drivel and misinformation.

Lets play a game though. You post a vid of you working a dog, I posted some vids just now of various dogs of differing levels with some mediocre work.
I assume since your a breeder and so experienced you have many superior examples of your work and dogs of your breeding. So just post those examples up for the young guys like me who need to learn from the more.....experienced people.... ;)

Oh, and then Ill post a vid of my current competition dog and we will see how it all measures up...

Haz -Taz is a beautiful dog. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! Is Taz titled? If so, what is he titled in? Just curious as my "pets" can do what I just saw in your videos. My husband has worked them on all of the things I saw your dogs do. Dang, I need to be campaigning my German Shepherds. Maybe I can get my son-in-law to help me or my husband when football season is over (as he is a head football coach/trains English Setter/dog trainer). Plus, my son-in-law has 13 Belgian Malinois and a couple of them were bought by the local sheriff's department. He is the one that bought my male German Shepherd for me for as a Christmas present. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I heard the original owner of Troas, who had his sire SCHH3, IPO3 V Iltis von der Wildsau titled, was injured when he fell off a ladder. He kept this sire and placed all his other dogs with other breeders/homes since he couldn't work them anymore. Also, the mother of Troas was titled BH,AD(SCHH1) Franka vom Felsenschloß. EVERY DOG IN THE PEDIGREE FOR TROAS for the past four generations are titled. Troas was the only one not titled so let's pick on him. Why not? It is so much fun! I can only imagine what Troas would have accomplished if he had been campaigned. FYI, my female German Shepherd is not my favorite pet, although I do love her. That is crazy to even assume this or say that. I have five English Setters (field trial dogs), one mean 14 year old Jack Russell, two natural protector German Shepherds (will attack tree, man or sleeve on command) and five Missouri Fox Trotters. It just so happens my male German Shepherd is my favorite "pet" and guess what? His hips are OFA excellent and elbows normal. I've had local vets ask me if I would consider using him as a stud for some of their client's German Shepherds. Guess what, I didn't breed him because his hips had not been OFA graded at the time. Another vet asked me a couple of weeks ago (after they were graded) about using him for a stud, and I told him I would have to check out the females first. I WILL NOT just breed my dogs to any ole' dog (especially one with fair hips or less). News Flash: Both of my German Shepherds are natural protectors and would eat you up if I didn't call them off. They would definitely come at you as they are a great judge of character. You would reconsider calling them "just pets" if you saw them coming at you. LOL Judging by your post you appear to be dissatisfied with yourself and insecure. You are no more than an internet bully. You remind me of the students I used to teach in alternative school. Ha Ha You said: You and every other starry eyed pet owner thinks their dog is great. There is nothing wrong with that, I am glad you have fun together. Until you prove her workability then you have no business breeding working dogs. Pets on the other hand? Go for it! My response to the above is: IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHETHER OR NOT I BREED MY TWO GERMAN SHEPHERDS! THIS IS MY LAST POST TO YOU AS I DON'T MAKE IT A HABIT TO CARRY ON WITH UNEDUCATED KNOW IT ALLS THAT THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING BUT KNOW NOTHING.

 

Excellent, since your dog is doing everything Taz does in those vids it should be no issue to post some proof.  I am doing you a favour, when you have puppies to sell you will now have video to show prospective buyers what the Bitch can do.

No, Taz was not titled.  Her hips did not clear and I also did not deem her of sufficient quality to breed despite how pretty she was.

You seem to be under the impression that because every dog in the pedigree has a title this makes your bitch breedworthy.  sadly if that was true breeding GSD would be a lot easier. Since you mentioned Taz I will use her as an example.  Every dog in her pedigree was titled.  Many dogs in her pedigree were famous.  All the dog in her pedigree had good joints.

Therefor by your form of evaluation I should have just left Taz on the couch and not bothered with training to any level, then bred her. Afterall, the pedigree said she would be good..right?  Luckily I didnt go that route..

As for your dogs and their proported apptitude in protection:  You shouldnt pick fights for your dogs...

Enjoy your dogs, and breed away.  I wont stop you.. :).  You should look into a SL stud for the next litter, I hear from some of the experts on here that this is a good idea.  Pretty pups that can work too!

 

Who are you talking to? Your response doesn't make sense to either me or srfwheat (first post).

I have no dog in this fight at all, so this is rather boring to me, but the "show me the video" from those too obtuse to follow the written word gets a bit tiresome. Videos only show what people want them to show. Come see the dog. Test the progeny. Test the parents. Is the dog representative? Or is the dog a fluke? Making video decisions regarding the quality of a stud is the same kind of mentality as breeding to the WUSV winner. Where does that get us in the long run? Lots of podium dogs are not the best breeding dogs for lots of reasons. But oooh, what pretty videos. And that's what the Youtube generation thinks matters. I'm not even that much older than some of the people who want videos all the time but I learned from old guys, so maybe that's it. I just can't imagine basing so much of my opinion on a dog off of video.

I don't even remember the last time I was videoed with a dog. I don't make a habit of taping myself doing everyday activities. If I had something to sell, I might.

Haz, I didn't watch your vids just like I don't watch anyone's. They likely wouldn't tell me anything except what you look like, and I'm not that curious.