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by hexe on 21 December 2015 - 05:12

Gee, the situation is quite different in the UK than it is in the US--in your locale, dogs from the sport/working lines are far more scarce than they are over here, where you can find dogs with bloodlines of equal quality to those of your dogs being offered on craigslist 'free to good home'.


by Gee on 21 December 2015 - 13:12

Hexe - bull shit.

1, Would doubt you will find many dogs on Craigs list in the US or any were else with a working / service pedigree such as Darkvakia Bertha. (but prove me wrong, post some links?)


Darkvakia Bertha's mum -  http://www.darkvakia.com


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=694303-qashqai-stary-skaut

And whilst on the subject of "Free to good home"  any one of my TRAINED adult dogs would go for infinitely more than what you guys pay for so called trained PPD's every day of the week lol.

2, I don't do show lines - so can't comment on that.

3, No matter what the pedigree, breeders who train there working dogs and are quite happy / transparent in demonstrating real protection qualities to potential buyers, will always sell there pups more quickly than an importer of a working line dog or indeed a breeder of a working line dog who thinks that those lines / pedigree guarantees them working success - it doesn't.

And finally Hexe, I am talking  as a breeder / trainer,  who ALWAYS sells his litters very quickly, typically pre birth or a week or so old. Indeed there is an advert marked SOLD, In the free UK classifieds, on this very forum, which will back that up, two hours after posting, and the litter under one week old - sold!!

Not quite sure what your position is, do you just do FORUMS, or do you breed and TRAIN your own stock?  (in the unlikely event you do train, it would be good to see some footage of your dogs working? (preferably before they end up on "Craigs List - free to good home")

Gee
 


Gigante

by Gigante on 21 December 2015 - 15:12

Most all dogs sold here on pdb or anywhere else are straight pet quality, they wont be worked they wont be sported they will for the most part here and in your country as a majority be fireplace dogs no matter where advertised.

You put a pet buyer on a sleeve and have them catch your ppd. Seriously test your dogs,,,,, seriously???

Awesome idea to test the client as to wether they can handle one of my harder dogs. But the over whelming majority of puppys being sold pre advanced or otherwise are by puppy breeders for the purpose of selling puppies.

The working market represents what 3-5% max on its best day, of all dogs sold. You are talking apples and orangutans.
 


by Gee on 21 December 2015 - 17:12

Gigante - The vast majority of pups I sell come back for training, and are purchased in the first place by people who have a desire to bring there dog on.

That could be as a  well balanced family protector, or perhaps they have a business they want additional piece of mind with, typically an equestrian centre, breeding kennel of toy dogs etc.

If you are saying the above profile is not a working home - then I disagree with you.

Certainly pups going to a proffesional dog handler, will represent a much smaller proportion of pups sold. 

I also agree - there will always be an element of buyers looking to breed from there investment. (with such a high number coming back for training, I don't have a problem with that)

Moving on, you say -
"You put a pet buyer on a sleeve and have them catch your PPD. Seriously test your dogs,,,,, seriously???"

I say - Not quite, my dogs deal with serious stresses.
For instance - CO2/shotgun/high pressure water/muzzle work in elevators/spiral staircases, bite work in water etc.
The above scenarios are all there for the world to see on my website/youtube.

Serious buyers who want to test my dogs - are welcome to.
The more knowledgable and experienced person might want to see the dog work in a muzzle, on there own decoy whilst a third party is firing blanks, as an example.  

 Since you were good enough to tell me who buys my dogs, and ignore the fact the vast majority come back for training. I will reciprocate and say - I fully understand why perhaps your own progeny are so good at lying in front of the fire.

Gee


BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 December 2015 - 17:12


Is see ridiculous overhyped  prices here  dogs and litters  here on PPD

( also that markting over hyped DDR Czech GSD  and of course that showline dogs)


 


by Gee on 21 December 2015 - 18:12

Hi Marcel,
Agree totally re Czech / DDR hype, which is why I personally put the vids out there and allow them - within reason to test the adults.

Did you get the Julius covert?

Gee

Mithuna

by Mithuna on 21 December 2015 - 20:12

My dog is heavily back massed on Lord, and I plan to breed her to a dog that is 3-3 on Lord. My sales pitch will be
" Europa Meister Lord is back". Will they sell for 2K each?

Gigante

by Gigante on 21 December 2015 - 20:12

Gee, Gee its alright to be a legend in your own mind but the facts are regardless of all your gratuitous plugs for yourself that the vast majority of GSD don't go to work. like most people I've never heard of you nor care, I was clearly referring to the market as a whole and not to your truly astounding legendary dogs. If we include a barking Chihuahua sentry as a working dog then perhaps your point that all dogs work might throw my numbers off off a bit. To be clear the lines don't hype themselves or overhype,  only thier legendary owners and breeders do that. 

 

 


Gigante

by Gigante on 21 December 2015 - 20:12

They will sell faster here Mithuna, stateside for $2800... all hail the lord is back. Hit them up for the additional cash cow, bark on command training and you could pull 5k a puppy down.

by Gee on 21 December 2015 - 21:12

@ Mithuna - no idea what you will get for your pups - if you don't know I certainly don't.
Your initial post was "Why are some breeders able to sell puppies so quickly"

Can only speak for me, my pups fly out the door, for all the reasons previously stated.

@ Gigante - my dogs ain't legendary, certainly proud of them, they are extremely capable of protecting in any environment.

Also re Czech /DDR hype - yep breeders do milk that, which is why I show all potential buyers proof of the pudding, initially on vid then in the flesh - if they so wish.

Can you say the same?


If your dogs are cut from the same cloth, please share?
Or are your's the type that can do it all, but only on paper?
Haven't heard of you either, but already know the above sentence is true.

Gee


 






 


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