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Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

Momo, where can I find the information about a UScA scorebook not being valid unless the owner is still a UScA member? I just checked the rules and regs on the org's site and there is no mention of that. You do have to be a member to get a scorebook.

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

@Keith Grossman

Thats an AWDF rule, you must have a current national club membership for a dogs scorebook to be valid at a trial. If your membership in any AWDF member club lapses, your dogs scorebook will be invalid until you renew your membership and pay dues. You can't just join a national club "temporarily" only to receive a scorebook for your dog. You need an active membership for it to remain "valid" for trialing purposes.


by gsd2407 on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

USCA does NOT require membership in club. You can be a member of one or more clubs or have no club affiliation.

DVG-America does require membership or affiliation with a sponsoring club.

GSDCA requires that an existing member sponsor your membership.

AWDF is not open to individual or club memberships ... it is an association for the various working dog organizations -- German Shepherd, Malinois, etc.

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

@ gsd2407

Sorry I didn't clarify, "an AWDF member clubs, at the NATIONAL level, that are issuing AWDF provided scorebooks". So, per your statement, USCA will issue scorebooks to anyone, even if they are not a USCA member, is that correct?

However, if that is the case, the person holding such a scorebook would not be able to show "current membership" in the national club that issued scorebook, making it invalid for use at a trial.


Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

I can't even look this up on the AWDF site because the link to the IPO rules doesn't work!

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

Keith Grossman

Not to knock on you, but this is exactly what I meant earlier, when I said, "few people deeply involved in the sport, currently, are able to give advice on how to proceed, BEYOND A BASIC LEVEL, because they simply do not know the various nuances of what is allowed versus what is not, within the overlapping rules and agreements between the SV, VDH, WUSV, FCI, GSDCA and the AWDF"


by gsd2407 on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

For the issuance of a USCA scorebook, you must be a member of a USCA. I would assume the other breed organizations have the same requirement.

USCA does not require that you belong to a local club.

susie

by susie on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

Momo, how do you think IRO will certify an IPO judge? They are a Search and Rescue Group.

Momo: " BUT, the precedent for cross certified IPO/FCI/IRO judges exists."

"Precedent" as a noun? Please do me a personal favour and show me any IPO judge recognized by IRO AND JUDGING IPO WITHIN IRO. No way.

This is useless waste of time - I am with Bav - everybody who is interested in training dogs WILL train dogs.
The current WDA member clubs either have to decide where to go ( USCA, GSDCA, AWDF, DVG, RSV2000, or something totally else ) or wait what happens in the sooner future. Meanwhile they are free to train there dogs as usual.

About the WDA / WUSV scorebooks - no dog looses a title only because a club isn´t existent any more. As long as the titles were earned under the umbrella of SV/WUSV the titles are legit.

This is life - a club does have problems, maybe vanishes - but this shouldn´t affect anybody interested in training and titling working dogs. There are more than enough clubs in your country, desperately seeking for members - what´s the problem?


Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

And how would they, Momo, when there isn't even a place where you can go and look these things up?

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 26 February 2016 - 18:02

@susie, I didn't say that past titles recorded in a WDA scorebook would vanish, I said titles recorded in a defunct WUSV clubs scorebook were at risk of not being recognized and would need to be repeated.  This has happend already with NARA and people who had german shepherds that earned the BH under USA-Box, BEFORE, USCA recognized that it had to accept those titles regardless. 

 

BTW, in the club that I used to serve as a board member, we met with an FCI rep and it was clearly explained that SV/WUSV judges could become FCI judges, by filling out some paperwork, as long as they also concurrently belonged to an FCI club.  What that means is IRO members that have an existing IPO judging certifcation CAN apply to become FCI backed IPO judges.  The WDA should have met with an FCI rep and started asking questions about what thier options were, but my understanding of what happened, is that they didn't even know what the full range of thier choice were to begin with.

 

@Keith Grossman, an active membership card must be presented at the trial with the currently valid scorebook

 

@gsd2407
In the past, USCA has required both local and national membership to have a valid AWDF scorebook. On the first page of the AWDF scorebook you should take note that there are lines for THREE signatures, one for the whom issued the scorebook, a second for club signature and a third for the AWDF administrator.

Most AWDF member clubs only require the first and third lines be signed, however, USCA, at one time, required all THREE to be signed, with the second being signed by the local clubs training director.  If the second line was not signed or you could not prove active membership in a local club a USCA/WUSV judge was not supposed to allow you to enter the trial. If that has changed, please let me know.






 


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