Does WDA still exist and putting on trials/shows? - Page 11

Don´t you think it´s pretty normal that you need to be a member of any club for being able to use the scorebook of that club?
This discussion drives me crazy....
an SV member needs a SV scorebook, a DVG member needs a DVG scorebook, that´s NORMAL, why should any club care about a person not even being a member of said club???
You are able to PARTICIPATE in other clubs with your scorebook, but you have to be a MEMBER of the club that gave you said scorebook.
In case this club isn´t existent any longer you need to become a member of another club.
That´s pretty simple

Momo, now I am out of it - now you are talking about SV/FCI, in your earlier posts you talked about SV/IRO.
What does a SV IPO judge acknowledged by FCI have to do with IRO? - Nothing.

This is plain nonsense. The maybe 2000 WDA members actively involved in training/titling their dogs should join another club, and everybody is happy. What´s the problem?

Sorry, I forgot to mention - I have been a member of DVG, SV, and I even trained in a boxer club for a while - I didn´t care about the names of the clubs - Why? I only wanted to train dogs...

This scorebook conversation doesn't make sense to me since any dog is only supposed to have one.

@susie

Why are you getting upset. I am simply pointing out rules nuances that were not explored by WDA leadership, but were explored by my old clubs board, with an FCI rep assisting us.  Sure, you don't have to "like" what we discoved, but you also simply can't just dimiss it all as "nonsense" either.

A judge, according to the "rules" of the SV, WUSV and FCI can be an IPO judge certified under the SV and/or other FCI club (IRO judges are FCI judges). There is NOTHING preventing a WUSV backed IPO judge from being all three or stopping a WUSV backed IPO judge from moving thier certifcation from the SV to another FCI club. I do acknowledge that going from being an FCI based IPO judge to an SV judge may be a big hurdle and could be disallowed by the SV/WUSV.

@Keith Grossman, yes, one scorebook, per dog, at any given time.  However, you can "transfer it" as many times as you like, between national clubs, including not just those within the AWDF, but also those FCI clubs outside of it.

Momo, it´s still nonsense, in the beginning of this thread you talked about SV/IRO, now it´s SV/FCI/IRO, but between SV and IRO there is a cooperation in case of SAR only ( once again: ONLY ), no IPO.
WDA could try to become the first acknowledged FCI club in Northern America, I´d like that, no problem, but they would have to use FCI recognized judges for IPO ( might even be a FCI/SV judge, why not? ) - but PLEASE - leave IRO out of the game - doesn´t make any sense.

Why do you want IPO people to become members of a Search and Rescue Club, although there are several active IPO clubs in your country?
Even a whole WDA club could ask for membership with any already recognized IPO club like USCA, AWDF, DVG, or else.

No loopholes, no problems - just training and titling IPO dogs...

@susie, by joining the IRO, existing WDA judges would be eligible to become FCI judges. The unknown part is whether the old rules still exists, where IRO judges could also become certified SV judges.  Note, those rules don't specify limits on what that cross certification entails, it DOES not limit nor name specific types of judges.  Those rules only outline the process of certification going between the two organizations.  There is NOTHING in those documents that says a certifed SV judge can not become an IRO member and cross certify, while keeping thier WUSV certification, yet also no longer be a SV/WUSV member.  This rule was implamented so IRO judges could still grant valid SV titles, but also not have to be SV/WUSV members.

So, yes, I am talking about 3 different scenarios, but my point still stands that the WDA didn't ask enough questions.  Thats the boads job and they did not do it, for whatever reason.  WDA members should be angry at thier lack of creativity in solving this problem. These aren't loopholes, they are using the rules as written, perhaps spitefully and against the spirit of those rules, but still, following them nonetheless.

"@Keith Grossman, yes, one scorebook, per dog, at any given time. However, you can "transfer it" as many times as you like, between national clubs, including not just those within the AWDF, but also those FCI clubs outside of it."

 

But then you lose the signatures of the judges that awarded the previous titles.

@Keith Grossman

No, you only send in a photocopy of the scores/titles to the organization that is transferring the scorebook, you always keep the old scorebook for your records.

Score books and intricate rules aside…if you want to train, you can train. Achieve the title, you have proof in the score book that it’s good. 99% of people will never be at a level where the titles are looked at and someone might question the validity of the title. None of them are listed in a registry, there’s no looking them up, the handler/trainer just knows they’ve achieved it. If you’ve got national level aspirations, you better know the rules and what applies to you depending on your organization. There might be a little confusion during a trying time, but none of that should affect your will or want to TRAIN YOUR DOG.

Find a helper, a training director, and a field. That’s all you need to train. You can stay as far or as close to the national politics as you want. Liars, cheats, whom ever else…none of that matters. If your goal is to train your dog and get that title, you can stay away from a lot of negativity. Competitive environment? I’ve yet to find that at any club I’ve been to. A title is a title if it’s achieved with 210 points or 295.

Those that claim the environment created by the national organization/club is what led them to stop training their dog in the sport are full of you know what. They stopped because they couldn't hack it but still want to make a ruckus on the internet about it.

"The unknown part is whether the old rules still exists where IRO judges could also be certified SV judges."

Once again, there are no "old rules" SV / IRO in case of IPO - their "partnership" WAS and IS based on SAR judging ONLY.

"These aren't loopholes, they are using the rules as written, perhaps spitefully and against the spirit of those rules, but following them nonetheless. "

What is your goal in this shitty game? Whom do you want to help?
I am only able to think about one of the WDA certified judges ( 3 ? ) and helpers ( 20+ ? )...