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by Gracie on 19 March 2007 - 14:03

I would like to know the purpose of the video. How can anyone say the dog has good drive just because the sleeve was being thrown to him? I think just about any dog would react the same way. I'd like to see some "real" work done with him. He's obviously old enough to perform better than that. Care to share any other videos of this dog? Grace

by EchoMeadows on 19 March 2007 - 15:03

Grace, the guy was not throwing the sleeve at him or to him, but throwing it "about", much like a dog would play with his toy, running off with it then tossing it about and pouncing on it again, that's what the helper was doing when he was throwing the sleeve about, trying to let that 11 month old pup see how much fun it is to play with this little gem of a toy we humans call a sleeve. It makes them "want" it even more. It's called first time on the field and building drive. I finally got it to load about 4am so I got to watch it too, woohoo, Thanks again Shinokami. I don't know if there are any more videos of him yet. Cindee posts them on her my space I think. but my computer hates my space too. GSDfan, when you want to check a dog/puppies recovery you slightly put pressure on the skin between the toes not enough to "hurt" but enough to make it uncomfortable when they pull away you release your pressure and then see if they bounce right back up in your lap or if they "leave" and if they leave, how long it takes for them to come back. What you want to see is a dog/pup bounce right back into your lap as if nothing happened. Spook watch the video it's obvious what portion she was talking about, the pup got confused and went back but then came right back out and hit the sleeve. ladywolfe, Thank You.

Shelley Strohl

by Shelley Strohl on 19 March 2007 - 15:03

We have a woman around here who has been breeding GSD's for a good 30 yrs. or more. Most of the locals who have ever had GSD's have purchased at least one dog from her. She is very highly thought of, and a very nice woman to talk with. Only a couple little things about her breeding program that don't quite "make it" in my book: :-O 1. She has produced a number of blue sables, which she goes ahead and breeds. 2. Almost every person I have heard of who has a dog from her has a a sad story of very serious and expensive health issues, (elbow surgery, hips, skin problems, ears, overbites, you name it!) and some real horror stories about temperaments. EX: Heard from a local pet sop owner last Friday: "We loved him, but we couldn't have company over till after he died, especially if they had kids." :-O Another family was in the shop asking for recommendations on pet food because their GSD has horrible skin problems an allergies. Guess where they bought their dog? :( 3. I have seen two that I actually photographed, tactfully not mentioning that the photos were for my "Uglist GSD's" files. This woman, with her long and stellar reputation, gets good money for her puppies. The mind boggles. The current high placing Ugly Dog is a blue sable, 2 yrs. old, marginal temperament, with the weirdest eyes I have ever seen, that had to have bi-lateral elbow surgery on BOTH elbows. She doesn't even LOOK like a GSD. Her owner, a an older single man who installed our heat and A/c system, loves her to death, God bless him... But hen again, it is widely held around here that he loves the life-sized, female blow-up doll he keep sin his bedroom, too... SS

by spook101 on 19 March 2007 - 17:03

echomuddles, again you are the village idiot. I said nothing about your dogs ability. I really question someones ability to read all that out of a low grade clip. Anyone worth their salt would need to be present from beginning to end in order to have gotten that much. Did shinokami get all that off the film or was he/she there?

Shelley Strohl

by Shelley Strohl on 19 March 2007 - 23:03

Give it a rest you two. SS

by angusmom on 20 March 2007 - 01:03

geez, alot of passion. i'm not as knowledgeable as you all regarding gsd's, but i'll say again that to me, a byb is the person or family who have 2 gsd's and think their dogs are "pretty" and decide to have a litter (to sell) w/o any consideration for health, temp, etc. they most likely won't give the pups their 1st shots, deworming. maybe a hobby breeder is one who has limited dogs, but tries to find the best possible combination of traits? alot of "hobbyists" in whatever field produce beautiful results - whether in boats, beer or gsds? my breeder/trainers also keep some of their pups, compete in trials, offer any help whatsoever w/their pups. i really appreciate them and their expertise w/gsds. they are certainly not hobby or bybs in the sense that they do this for a living and take great pains to ensure quality dogs.

by shinokami on 20 March 2007 - 01:03

Spook, I wasn't there, nor am I claiming to say that the dog is such and such from what *I've* said. EchoMeadows asked my opinion, and that's it. I think the dog has good drive, since it's interested in playing with the sleeve--I would not go so far as to claim it would make a good working dog, naturally, it would take a lot more to say that. It did seem the dog was pretty defensive because it *looked* (as we're just judging the video) it was taking too much threat from an otherwise non-threatening helper (the sound of the bark, the dog stepping back everytime the helper went forward). It released the sleeve when the helper leaned forward at one point then went at the other end of the line (you can hear the people behind the camera comment about the dog becoming confused). This is what 'defensiveness' means from my book, of course--you might have a different opinion. It's a pretty long clip, for what it's worth. I'm making no claims on the dog's quality--only from what I've seen on the video. Sorry if that bothers you.

by shinokami on 20 March 2007 - 01:03

I'll dissect what I said above: "Personally, I think his drive is very good, but he is a tad defensive and showed some avoidance when the helper leaned in too far. The good thing is he recovered from it okay." Personally meaning just my personal opinion, which is worth very little, after all... "Drive is very good..." Because the dog didn't need to be 'prepped' into liking the sleeve as I've seen some show-line dogs do. He seemed to be naturally interested in playing with it. "...tad defensive..." From the barking, the uneasy stepping whenever the helper moved too far. "...showed some avoidance when helper..." Again, clear from the video clip. "Recovered from it okay..." Because he still bit after the avoidance. Which is probably better than the dog running off the end of the leash and refusing to bite after feeling stress. To be fair, I had to watch it several times to catch that.

by AKVeronica60 on 20 March 2007 - 18:03

Videos are really deceptive, even when done with the most honest of intentions. One example is of a video I did of my six week old puppies doing the Volhardt puppy aptitude test. One remark on the video was: "That puppy is exhibiting temperament issues because it keeps running behind the tester." That puppy was doing his serious 6 week old best to pull a tug out of the tester's back pocket. But you could not see what the pup was really doing, as the camera covered only the one angle. That angle was not behind the tester's butt. We take for granted watching our TV shows, where we see how everything is happening, but we forget that filming such an producion in progress is real art. If you don't have a camera covering all angles, then misunderstandings happen over videos concerning those things that can only be seen from one inadequate perspective.





 


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