Humanizing our Dogs - Page 6

Centurian, the CIA talked to goats too, & look how
that ended up.

Welcome ElMago... the Magician! lol, I like it! We all need a little magic in our lives! A powerful dog such as the Dog Argentino would seem to need a worthy master, too! (My apologies on the "royal we" use, in advance. )

And now, the truth about those goats...and the British parody that was made about the claim:

Killing animals with telepathy? False. The most outrageous claims in the movie (and book) is that military psychics could kill goats by looking at them. Even John Alexander says this isn’t true.  “As I told Jon Ronson when the book first came out, Alexander writes, ‘He [one of the soldiers] hit the goat.'”

Goats are the one of the preferred substitutes for human targets in military testing, and there are rumors of lethal goat-zapping experiments with the Active Denial System. Special operations Command use them for training battlefield medicine – first shoot your (anesthetised) goat —  a practice which is still controversial.

In her review of the movie, Col Alexander’s wife mentions that in real life her husband can disperse clouds by looking at them — “It certainly helped during our cruise to Antarctica!” – but asserts that he has never used his powers to kill a goat.

http://www.wired.com/2009/11/psychic-spies-acid-guinea-pigs-new-age-gis-the-true-men-who-stare-at-goats/

What Jon Ronson CLAIMED - in the book he published
in '04, never mind how the film treated the topic - was
that he was made aware through conversations with
retired Service personnel that the 'Goat Lab' at Fort
Bragg existed (exists today ?). That it was / is a Military
Intelligence project. That MI reports its findings to the
CIA. That MI somehow felt it worth leaving soldiers in
that unit for years on end, trying to burst goats' hearts
(kill them) by 'thinking' that at them. Purpose: to be able
to apply this form of kinesis to human targets in war, by
targeting the power of enough 'force of intent' to cause
damage or death. There are trimmings to this picture
about the treatment of the goats (and the soldiers), but
that's the bare essence. The soldiers sitting around
'staring' were not the soldiers practising their field medical
skills. Any medical operations or repairs were undertaken
by others.

In the end Ronson concluded that, although the US State
and the military have had a very 'fluid' relationship with New
Age ideas, while they sometimes investigate them and
sometimes 'poo-pooh' them, they ALWAYS keep any related
experimental projects under a cloak of silence. Not surprising,
really. As for that goat project, it may or may not be ongoing;
but at the point of film-making, I don't think there had been any
success with it. Surprise !

Hey, just 'cos I remain open minded to the possibility of there
being some sort of 'telepathy' we haven't discovered yet, does
not mean I support either the concept or the practice of such
nonsense as the Goat Lab ! Nor I suspect does Sheldrake
accept all that's attributed to him by that Wiki quote; when I've
heard him speak on radio & TV or read what he has written, I
have not got the impression he is as open to some of the stuff
that Wiki lists as is implied.

Time for an [edit], perhaps ?

Oh, dear, sweet mother of ... Epiphany Philosophers! I think I just had one of my own! Here is Rupert in his own words!

 http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/autobiography

Having read some of the places your link takes us,
I am even more convinced things he has said are
being distorted.

Please don't be so vague! It would make it too easy to misunderstand your point of view. I have provided stellar links and original sources.

Interesting to note on the writer Jon Ronson, too, is his claim to fame as a gonzo journalist. I am not making this stuff up!

Do I miss anything important in case I don´t follow this thread?

Not inventing, Bee, but maybe cherry picking a little for bits you want to side with (don't we all ?).

If you return to your own 'stellar' link, you can see what I was referring to under the statements made about the 'banned' TED talk.

As for my being vague, I didn't want my posts to be too long.

Seems I'm not the only one whose posts are sometimes ambiguous,

either.

PS as far as I am concerned, almost ALL journalists are Gonzo

to one extent or another ...

"Do I miss anything important in case I don´t follow this thread?"

Goat slayers, extra-dimensional physics, a treatise on mind/matter duality and miscellaneous claims of paranormal activity.