Intending to get a pup from this dog: Any view points? - Page 6

And to stomp out Joan's match, it is difficult writing
in 5minute gobbets (with added irritations of the site
STILL not working properly - don't shout @ me mods
I am going to PM you when I get a chance !) without
bits of what you are saying getting misinterpreted ...

In addressing how & what the OP appears to be doing
with his dog, it has been necessary to talk about the
pinch collar, and its uses. If I ever enter one of those
conversations I get the (equally obnoxious ?) drubbing
from on here that I never get the opportunity to use one,
or see them in use, in the UK, so how can I comment ?
I try to circumnavigate that by pointing out myself that
the US uses prongs A LOT, and not everyone who uses
one does so correctly and so dogs can & do suffer. Un-
necessarily. That isn't some general insult about all
Americans. Not entirely my fault if anyone misreads it
that way.

There IS a difference between our two nations about use
of the prong. The Brits just seem to collectively reject it
- even the majority of those training sports, or obedience
without bitework; but also that greater number involved in
real work outlets - police, security operations, armed forces,
prisons. You've seen Margaret N-Js and Ashley's posts on
their use.

They are not on general sale - which should tell you something
about the lack of market for them - but as they are still legal,
they are not that difficult to get hold of. I was taught to use a
prong correctly before the birth of the Internet.

First, I am making a distinction in protectiveness. Yes, guarding technically can be said, is a type of protecting. The difference lies in the motivation to protect. When a dog is resource guarding its human instead of say, his dog bowl, it is a recipe for a bite against an unwitting family member.

The human being guarded is a possession and under the control of the dog. The dog is maintaining leadership of "the pack" dynamic.

The protection one should seek from the dog, should be from a defensive and subordinate position as in the motivation to defend the pack from a threat for its leader... The human.

Hope this explains it.

Well Beetree that is an explanation. I have never experienced the first one where the dog is in charge, atleast not if it is over three months, the babies do seem to get their way.

I have had dogs come to me who came from a home where they were in charge but I never had an owner mention that they were being guarded more like they were being bullied.

Have no problem with my dogs defending me from an offensive position instead of defensive 

Oh so just because Brits do it a certain way, it is correct over the way the U.S. does it?
I'm still not getting why you would even make the comparison. I don't see how it has anything to do with how Mithuna(or anyone) uses a prong collar.

Someone explain to me again how we went from evaluating a hypothetical litter of puppies  to offensive/defensive protection and interanglo politics of prong collars.

So hard to keep up these days.

Pete, you foregot sticks vs matches.

That's the way it always goes Vk good to c u back. Way off topic

Yogidog, you took the words right out of my mouth....... vk4, you've been around long enough to know this is the norm and pointless saying anything about it as it goes right over some heads.....carry on guys, burn yourselves out, lol,lol.

@Western

I would imagine you are the type of strong leader that would discourage the behavior in the first place. So that would explain why you never see it. The dog behaviorist shows feature such animal issues all the time, usually it is some type of lap dog that manages to get away with it. The person being guarded, at first thinks it is sort of cool, being honored with such devoted "protection". The problem comes when a mother is being guarded and her child goes to give her a hug, and the dog bites the child. That is an example. One should realize though, you aren't much different than any other coveted possession, by the dog.

 

In any case, I am not making it up.

http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/theotherendoftheleash/resource-guarding-treatment-and-prevention

http://yourdogsfriend.org/help/resource-guarding-growling/

 

mithuna; You are one of the best at starting subjects which get attention! I still challenge you to examine your ability to raise a pup to be as whole as possible. The prong debate is not going to help you with your process. Too many times I read the words '' hard dog'' and wish the person had said '' difficult to train dog'' or ''difficult for this person who owns the dog, to train''. I witness people mis- read, mis-label their animals because of their own lack of ability to train. I have watch the worst k9 specimens exhibit guarding of people or objects. I have watched brilliant use of training techniques and equipment and also cringe-worthy use. Go to good dog people to get insight, stay here for entertainment.