Food Aggression Prevention. - Page 3

There's nothing to mend if they feed the dog in a crate, leave it alone while it's eating, without being harassed.
If the dog is aggressive towards kids, then get it in a different home without kids.

My dogs live 'in a pack', of course, I am pack leader, but my dogs can all eat together, wwith no gulping or fighting.
I can take anything out of anyone of their mouths, at any time. My dogs have access to food 24/7. I do however feed everyone individually every evening at the same time. Most laydown and take their time eating, because they do not worry about being left feeling hungry.
I start this when they are 3 weeks old. My grandkids can sit at the little Dora the Explorer table eating hot dogs and fries with several adult shepherds right there and no one will stezl their food. (Of course if they try to walk thru with hot dog at nose height, a couple of the younger ones may try to steal a bite).
I myself find food aggrssion stems from a dog who has been left hungry on more than a few occasions.
Food aggression is something I won't tolerate. Hell, I could take a chicken leg out of my lions mouth without a problem.
I would maybe try to feed him a little more at each feeding, while he is being left alone to eat his meal in peace, that he walks away from his food feeling satisfied and not rushed.
He will lose the feeling of his need to guard and gobble. I guarantee it. There really is no correct training method to this problem. The dog is just simply worried he is going to be left feeling hungry.
I don't think anyone likes feeling hungry.

@susie : No you muisunderstood what I am saying . I reword it :
I am not saying that all + training leads to this. I am only saying that all such aggression is caused by such training or no adequate training of +/- or no training at all. The statement above excludes gangster dogs which are extremely rare but are impossible to stop them reliably from being overly aggressive towards their owner or being overly protective beyond desires of their handler and it is impossible to establish over them leadership position. Gangster dogs leadership position is genetically predisposed thus unchangeable . That is what I am saying and that is my experience.
JMO
Prager Hans

Hundmutter. If your only use of clicker training extends back to orcas kept
in swimming pools, can I suggest you give it a more modern
2nd try ? It developed a bit since Pryor's original (and in
DOGS not cetaceans) - which is why, as I said earlier, so many
specialist trainers use it. I am not saying it is the only answer
to every problem, you KNOW that only too well by now. Nor
am I saying there's never any problems with "positive only"
training; but like Susie I don't think you can blame everything
bad that ever happened on it, either !

Care to answer my final question BTW ?

 

Hans: I thought that I explained my knowledge of marker training quite adequately before . If you got out of my extensive explanation "orcas kept in swimming pools " then I suggest that you read it again or I am just wasting my time here.

 

Kitkat, I'm talking about a pack of wild dogs...natural, normal, wild pack of 'dogs' = 'wolves' = 'dingos' = 'painted hunting dogs'. Not someone's house dogs with food available 24 hours aday ( not natural way for dogs to feed... unlike herbivours with grass under foot and feed available 24 hours a day) . Yes, they MUST GULP their food before someone else gets it. Gulping food is a normal way for dogs to eat. And food aggression is not necessarily caused by 'being left hungry'. Lol.

Ps. An herbivour has feed going thro the stomach to gut for most of digestion, so they must have a steady supply of vegitation moving thro the gut to get enough nourishment.

A carnivour/omnivour digestion is in the stomach, so overload is not good. My adult dogs eat once a day, evenings when they are resting and will digest what's in the stomach. 

Hundmutters question:" Now I have a question for you: when the first humans tamed the first wolves or wild dogs to their fireside, which method do you think they used ? Throw a rope around the neck, put pressure on it and say "No" a lot - show them who was Boss - or use gentle bribery and corruption and marker-words ?"

 

Hans:

Yes thank you! Since  you are making my point. There is nothing new about clicker training . Prayor claiming in her books that her gimmick is new modern scientific method is truly laughable and deceptive in order to sell more books and clickers. Also nowhere have I said that such training is invalid. I have said that clicker method is reward based marker method using classical and operant conditioning which uses 2 pillars of training which are positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement,. What I have also said though is that omitting of other 2 pillars of training (=negative reinforcement and positive punishment ) is IMO very wrong, and in my experience problem causing and such self serving omitting  is not grounded in any science what so ever and it may lead to problems like OP has in this thread and myriad of other problems, injuries and I can imagine even to  death. The fact that many high level trainers are using it to teach the dog sit, down, stay, come, heel is irrelevant. I use it too except I am not using idiotic clicker but I use clacking of my tongue instead-- that is because I have tongue with me all the time where clicker can brake or clicker factory may go out of business or I may forget clicker at home. What is relevant to me  is that in my experience clicker does not establishes leadership position in dominant dogs and that leads to problems with aggression.

 And to go back to your question of a cave man and wolf , I will say that i am absolutely positive that even though caveman could not name terms like  negative reinforcement and positive punishment  he was using it together with positive reinforcement and  negative punishment. How I know it ? Because common sense dictates that dog needs to be  exposed to negative part of the training or the training and relationship between man and dogs would not work. Cave man did not have luxury of PC crap,... he need  to survive. Thus I am sure then dog who was trying to eat his meat he got punished. And by doing so he established his leadership position over the dog - which was also matter of his survival. 

That's all. 

 JMO
 Prager Hans 

Hundmutters question:" Now I have a question for you: when the first humans tamed the first wolves or wild dogs to their fireside, which method do you think they used ? Throw a rope around the neck, put pressure on it and say "No" a lot - show them who was Boss - or use gentle bribery and corruption and marker-words ?"

 

Hans:

Yes thank you! Since  you are making my point. There is nothing new about clicker training . Prayor claiming in her books that her gimmick is new modern scientific method is truly laughable and deceptive in order to sell more books and clickers. Also nowhere have I said that such training is invalid. I have said that clicker method is reward based marker method using classical and operant conditioning which uses 2 pillars of training which are positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement,. What I have also said though is that omitting of other 2 pillars of training (=negative reinforcement and positive punishment ) is IMO very wrong, and in my experience problem causing and such self serving omitting  is not grounded in any science what so ever and it may lead to problems like OP has in this thread and myriad of other problems, injuries and I can imagine even to  death. The fact that many high level trainers are using it to teach the dog sit, down, stay, come, heel is irrelevant. I use it too except I am not using idiotic clicker but I use clacking of my tongue instead-- that is because I have tongue with me all the time where clicker can brake or clicker factory may go out of business or I may forget clicker at home. What is relevant to me  is that in my experience clicker does not establishes leadership position in dominant dogs and that leads to problems with aggression.

 And to go back to your question of a cave man and wolf , I will say that i am absolutely positive that even though caveman could not name terms like  negative reinforcement and positive punishment  he was using it together with positive reinforcement and  negative punishment. How I know it ? Because common sense dictates that dog needs to be  exposed to negative part of the training or the training and relationship between man and dogs would not work. Cave man did not have luxury of PC crap,... he need  to survive. Thus I am sure then dog who was trying to eat his meat he got punished. And by doing so he established his leadership position over the dog - which was also matter of his survival. 

That's all. 

 JMO
 Prager Hans 

Joanro: How many would consider sending their dog to a 'trainer' who claims that if you have properly established 'leadership'' your dog would not protest if you saw his legs off ? I realize that was a comment to 'shock' people, (considering the source, no shock here) , but anyone who does not understand that every dog cannot be trained using the same methods is not a trainer.

 

Hans :LOL Ouch that huits. I do not think I can recover  from such attack.

SMH. Hans: To all others: Please understand that I am not talking about training methods as much as of training principles. Methods are comprised of principles . If you violate principles, then the method is faulty. Using only 1/2 of the principles   and vilify other principles is irresponsible because it leads to behavioral problems, people getting hurt and dogs being put down. But I have already said that.

Joan:"There's nothing to mend if they feed the dog in a crate, leave it alone while it's eating, without being harassed.
If the dog is aggressive towards kids, then get it in a different home without kids."

 
Personally I prefer a training which promotes dogs who like children rather then not. Any dog who does not like kids, even if palced into home w/o children may run into children somewhere sooner or later. Then when the dog bites a child the dog is PTS.
Not my choice of action.
Prager Hans

Except you are applying principles that have no bearing relating to the OP issue.

You just want to be right with a theory. With a certain type of dog.

Let the OP decide, after a time of her choice, and put this ego fest to rest!