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by beetree on 09 May 2016 - 23:05

I am curious. Got names? 

 

 

 

 

 

 


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 10 May 2016 - 00:05

Hey bee, how you been, and how your boys doing?
I may be wrong here but I think you are referring to the term in the other thread.
I would say that would be one of these so called hard dogs, the ones with handler aggression and the like.
They are dogs with no reguard to their handlers , owners or trainers. The ones that are supposed to be revered in the sport and protection aspect of training. I think many use them to live vicariously through their dogs. The person themselves have no ass but they love their dog is badass.
You find it more with pitbulls and their pathetic owners. Without their dogs in the hood, they would run and hide.
I myself see no need to have dogs be that hard. A good dog will protect you with his life and never have wanted to bite your ass along the way, lol.
I may be wrong, if in that case i will feel pretty stoopid.
But, i do think that I 'm close.

by beetree on 10 May 2016 - 00:05

Hey there, kitkat... All my boyz are doing well at this time! 😎 Thanks for asking!

I think you pretty much nailed it on this post. Just one thing,.. More and more the GSD seems to be getting this description, and no one ever makes a mention of the pit bull anymore.

Names would help make a definition very clear.


Prager

by Prager on 10 May 2016 - 00:05

Gangster dog is a term devised by German breeders in the past. It has nothing to do with pit bulls. Most pit bulls are actually  not gangster dogs. Gangster dogs are dominant dogs which will never accept submissive position - they will never accept a leader and will fight if someone tries to dominate them by even giving then simple command - if  they do not like it even though  they performed such command before. They will never ever submit often even to negative punishment ( withdrawal of the reward.) - they rather die.  

 4 pillars of dog training do not work on such dogs. They are what they are genetically and can not be changed. 

 Such dogs  had been added by breeders into the program  to bring defense into overly prey based or overly friendly lines. Such dogs are not suitable for anything much except for such breeding effort and area protection. There are only handful of such dogs and handful of people who can handle them. Such handler must understand that the dog will work for them only if they like to do so and like the rewards. I know of case where the +only  trainer was determined that such dog can be trained with + only and  used reward ( treats)  training. It worked well until the dog decided that he does not want to work, but just want treats. the trainer used  withdrawal of reward  and the dog  took the trainer's face off and then ate  all the treats.  

 Their you go Gangster dogs. 

Prager Hans 


by beetree on 10 May 2016 - 01:05

Are there names...or just legends?

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 10 May 2016 - 02:05

Prager, I only used pitbulls as an example of the kind of attitude associated with the type of dog. And there ARE plenty of pitbulls, Rotties, Neopolitan Mastiffs and the like that are Exactly kept like that for various reasons, usually by scumbags.
I cznnot understand why anyone would use that type of German Shepherd in their breeding program. It is NOT what a German Shepherd is supposed to be, ever.
When people say you should see the parents, and expect your pups to be a little bit of each parent.....yikes.
To me, that is not the proper temperament to pass on, ever. What happens to the pups that inherit that trait? Who gets them? And how long before they end up in the dog pound?
It doesn't matter where the practice of using them in breeding came from, IMO, it is wrong.
They are dogs destined for miserable lives.

by joanro on 10 May 2016 - 02:05

Kk Thumbs Up


BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 10 May 2016 - 05:05

Need strong handlers not for pussys. Gangsta gsd today hard to find. I think pike schaffbachmuhle was one of them you will be safety dogs like this around you. Look  more to the indvidual charactar not only the breeds not all APT ,bandog, Dogo Argentino  etc are "Gangsta " there are also  some with a soft charactar.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 10 May 2016 - 05:05

OTOH, we also have something called "Ban Dogs"
which are Pits mixed with heavier breeds eg Rotties
and Mastiffs. This is SUPPOSED to give something
very large & ugly and bad-tempered, ideal for guarding
dealers' houses.
Trouble is just about all the Ban Dogs I ever met have
always been big softies, often in Rescue, so I think we
can assume that formula does not work.

by Gustav on 10 May 2016 - 12:05

Gangsta dogs are dominant and hard, and sometimes alpha. They are definitely needed in the breed, but cannot be owned by everyone. They also should be very selectively bred. Probably only 10-15 percent of the females have the genetics in terms of nerve base both through the individual female and consistency of this type of nerve in first three generations, to be suitable to breed to these type dogs productively. But we don't want to lose this trait,elsewise we travel down the road of the breed becoming not sturdy enough to do some jobs that they used to EXCELL at. Please I am not saying we should breed FOR gangsta dogs, or that we breed two of these types together, ( only a novice would read that from my post and I want to make that clear for them that I'm not saying that), but they have valuable traits that should be part of the breed, though maybe not as concentrated as they possess, nonetheless if you stop breeding to them, you will lose these traits quickly and thus lose some of the purpose of the breed. This is why probably 80% of American SL dogs cannot do schutzhund successfully, because certain traits needed to do this work has just about been bred out since the dogs that possess the needed traits are not bred to and these traits rarely exist in that subgroup. (ASL)  This is not bashing them, just stating a reality created by the breeders in search of other traits at expense of traits that typify the harder dogs. The median for the breed is moderation, but to maintain that and still have dogs capable of performing functions this breed has excelled at, you cannot exclude the gangsta dog from the gene pool, you just have to breed them wisely.






 


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