Chi Chi z AlpineK9 videos of development pp dog - Page 2

1X1 of dog training = make the dog used to any training equipment prior to training.
For this female the muzzle will be a trigger ( agitation ) forever.
I like the pup, but I don´t like the training.
But that´s just me ( and I am still a woman ... ).

Excellent post, Susie...I'll add that don't use equipment your dog can't deal with, ie, not all dogs should wear a prong.

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=yajkE4ZoBY0

Is this the same dog?

 
Joan
I have never criticized your dog being recalled I criticize that he was not being trained aor handled on that particular video in a civil way- called off the suit and played with suit where I teach the dog which are meant to be pp /le to disengage from the suit or sleeve. Otherwise dog did well. It was not meant to single you out particularly. Most trainers train like that. At least youhad gutts to put a video on the forum like this one. . I am just trying to deviate here from illogical approaches and show other ways to train dog.

mithua and fervious.
Flat collar. This is not about PC - what make the dog feel good. Consistent use of flat collar is used in sportism. The problem with flat collar is that it teaches the dog undesirable association. To constantly to put flat collar on a dog before the training of PP is queuing and subsequently conditioning the dog that protection is going to happen. I do use flat collar but not consistently, I use it inconsistently in order to avoid such conditioning. If the dog is very sensitive then I use it at first but later on I stop using it. I do not want the dog to do protection because the handler put a flat collar on the dog and that turns the dog in drive. I want the dog to turn on because the command is given and only because command is given. ( There may be more advanced option in training done later. Where the dog is trained automatic attack in specific situations). Anyway as you can see this dog can not care less on what kind of collar she wears.
Train as you fight and fight as you train.

duke
defusing of a balanced dog. Defusing the dog is one of the most important exercises which actually makes the dog balanced. T o make dog balanced takes training and if such training and socialization is ignored then the dog turns out not to be balanced.
To put the dog up while still in drive is IMO major mistake with leads to unbalanced dog with hangups of undesirable associations. Meaning the dog will see the decoy as someone who ought to be and needs to be attacked. That is major problem since that is not realistic street scenario. On "street" the dog will be attacking other people besides the decoy. I want my dogs to be neutral or even friendly with person whom they will eventually attack. In my training the dog is commanded to attack from calm state of mind and not from drive and it is brought to calm from drive after the attack. That is done because the dog in every day life is not in PP drive thus when in non-drive state of mind then he is not ready to attack because all the training was done in drive - which IMO is illogical.
Train as you fight and fight as you train.
Prager Hans

Joanro: A strong dog with drive doesn't notice the prong in bite work... Prong even creates drive.

Hans: There you go! Absolutely!

Hans, I wasn't doing 'civil' work with him in that vid...not the purpose of the test. And he didn't 'play' with the jacket.

Here, again, when the camera was turned back on, second bite and the decoy wanted time to present arm for target, as the dog bit him through the suit on his thigh the first bite, so i mistakenly didnt release him early enough and he missed the jump initially.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ush1lyedmzwd0tt/otto-truck%20second%20bite%2009%2010%2014.mov?dl=0

I have a saying when I'm doing new things with my animals; 'first time is free, second time you pay.' So i sent him into the back of the truck for only second time in his life jumping into the back of a truck, second time in his life with a decoy. Period. Completely green dog. No freebie after all.

Susie: 1X1 of dog training = make the dog used to any training equipment prior to training.
For this female the muzzle will be a trigger ( agitation ) forever.
I like the pup, but I don´t like the training.
But that´s just me ( and I am still a woman ... ).

Hans : But I do not care about what others do especially if it does not make sense to what I want to achieve which is civil PP/LE dog. To talk about what everybody does is boring to me since that had been said millions of times. Susie point well taken and  I totally understand what you mean. And I am familiar with that concept used by others. You are actually talking about developing a default on the muzzle => bitework which may be undesirable asociation where the muzzle is used in every day life.  You are basically  worried that the dog will be always agressive witha muzzle on . I do not care about that though and I explain that below. 
So I will say this.
No....in this case the muzzle will not be a trigger of anything for the dog. The trigger was, is and always will be   ONLY the command and that had been already established in the dog's mind. The muzzle here is just another step and test of what the dog will do and will deal with in unfamiliar stressful situation. I do not care about how the dog feels about muzzles. In Europe where the muzzles are used all the time in public that is a different issue which basically does not exists in US. I personally do not believe that the muzzle work should be leading to training to develop the dog to be civil. When I put a muzzle on the dog or use any equipment what so ever, like sleeve or suit I have already made the dog civil long time before that and the dog is working in spite of the equipment and not because of it like sportism does.
Prager Hans

Joan I know what you are saying and what you have done and it is OK.  Most do that. What I am saying is that I personally ALWAYS redirect the dog from the equipment on the decoy.  EVERY TIME. But that is just me. 

Also I love it when people ( susie , duke,...) say "I like the dog but not how it is trained". Now that is funny since all the dog is I have trained based on development of genetic given to me.