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by joanro on 13 May 2016 - 19:05

Most people do what, hans? With an untrained dog ? Most untrained dogs won't bite. That was the second time he ever worked with a decoy, and zero foundation, not even tug as a pup. Obedience, that's all I did with him. So what do mosrt people do with a green dog with zero bite training .... first time he worked with a decoy and its on the suit. That dog has bit an intruder ( who deserved what he got) I wanted to see how solid the dog is.
A year earlier than that vid, I put him on the back tie in an unfamiliar place for him. Had the same decoy put quite a bit of very unfamiliar pressure on the dogso I could see the dog's reaction.
Then a year after, I had opportunity for the decoy to come to work the dog the second time and see if the dog was game on unfamiliar bad footing on slick bed liner.....not training, dog still hasn't had any bite training, but I am confident of what he presents when someone comes to the front gate, he is what he presents.

susie

by susie on 13 May 2016 - 20:05

Why do you think that muzzles are used in "every day life" over here???

I don´t know what is funny about my post ( I like the pup, but I don´t like the training ).
It´s a friendly, playful dog, not knowing yet what to do, but without major faults - I just don´t like the training.

by joanro on 13 May 2016 - 20:05

I agree that hans' little female has potential, is just having a good time, not knowing what to do.


Prager

by Prager on 13 May 2016 - 23:05

Joanro posting videos on the forum is always failure. People will always see something wrong. I do not care however since I know there are people who can see what You or I are showing with such videos. I'll say about your video one more time. I have no problem what so ever with your dog or even the training> That is what most people do. I am just saying that I would do it little bit differently. That is all.

Prager

by Prager on 13 May 2016 - 23:05

 .@ suzi:
Muzzles in Czech for example are used in public transportation and in public . That is the law. Not so in the US. That was what I was referring to.

I have bred, trained, socialized,lived with, loved and  and developed this pup and you like it. Thank you for validating my breeding, training, socialization and development of my pup. Yet, since you hate me, you do not like the training which made the pup. I am sorry but THAT is funny to me.
You train one way and I train different way. That is OK:) I am actually glad that you do not like my training. That validates my points. With all due respect you are different type of trainer. I am against such training where sport is linearly developed into protection dog as you described it at other thread. To me that is totally illogical, inappropriate, wrong and yes even dangerous. One of the reasons you and handful of others here do not like the training is because they do not understand what is going on there. Like when balckmalinois said :"I never understand what they wanna proove with above video ...."

I do not want to "proove" anything. FYI. I am just showing IMO nice pup which I have bred, trained, socialized, lived with   and developed and put her on the path of a PP dog from "day 1" rather then turning dog via sportism into sport dog and then into PP/LE dog where the dog is taught to bite equipment and not the man and then switch and try to convince the dog not to bite the equipment but to bite the man instead. Please forgive me but that is a epitome of contradiction , confusion and illogical training. And I do not care if it is a system done by most experts or not.  

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.


by joanro on 13 May 2016 - 23:05

Hans, my dog already is known to be civil and he, to this day, is untrained in any bitework. But there comes a time when my 'untrained' dog that is known to be civil, (as in live,real bite) needed to be tested for commitment and nerves. Had nothing to do with training. That's all.

by beetree on 13 May 2016 - 23:05

How many pet owners have untrained and civil dogs? Lol

All they need ... Is the test! I have my stories. Matter of fact, that will be my next thread!

Prager

by Prager on 13 May 2016 - 23:05

Yes Joan I know. He is a valuable - what I call -Type 1 dog.

by joanro on 14 May 2016 - 00:05

Bee, he's not a 'pet' if you are talking about my dog. He's not the type to be allowed to jump on the couch, or fire him up playing ball a lot, etc. He is a watch dog, and companion, and is obedient. Untrained in bite work, I didn't say untrained in obedience.

But as for how many untrained and civil pets....I bet there are more than you think. Lots of dogs in the news tearing people up and puting them in the hospital that were never 'trained' in bite work.  That's why dogs need to be obedience trained and under control ...


by beetree on 14 May 2016 - 00:05

Joan,

I know enough to make that distinction with you and your dogs. I actually trust your judgment and skills. Some of the more bombastic types that have to create their own vocabulary and create a following who will repeat it, are marketers, first. IMHO.





 


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