Chi Chi z AlpineK9 videos of development pp dog - Page 4

Gotcha.

Is there really a video that exists of Hans actually training a skill, with teachable and learnable steps, in evidence, and not just a scenario being played out with a command showing a response? Anyone besides Hans could have been responsible for that response.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

I thought the blurry hand in front of the lens action was really pathetic, too, at the end of the "defusing" video. Whatcha hiding? Geeze.

 

Bee tree people who want to learn from me actual training skill have to pay me.  

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Matthev 7:6

Thus I am not throwing pearls to "pigs" so to speak. Here I reveal enough to arouse curiosity stirred up by detractors like you and vk . people ineterested to learn then  call or even come. Phone calls are free. That alone gets me more business then I can handle. Thank you! ;) I have students with true working dogs and not just pets or sport dogs coming here from all over the world. Right now I am teaching a bounty hunter and his 2 dogs to do a real civil bitework. Mali and GSD. Nice dogs.
As far as blurred lens goes..... Geeze?? LOL Now you will criticize blurred lens?!? You are really reaching for negativity.
If you listen you would know. Camera run out of battery ;) it is clearly said.

 

There is an old saying about fools and their money, just came to my mind, and got me wondering ... if there was a Czech counterpart saying that means the same? Usually those bits of wisdom mention something to do with a food, like peas or some such. Nothing against peas, mind you!

You can fool some of those people, The Easily Parted ones, most of the time... But count me as one of those people ... For None of those times.

Here is prowerb for you.
The wise man asks questions of himself; the fool questions others. ~ Chinese Proverb

Beetree, stop now please, don't know how many times you have to be asked to back off. You are ruining a good thread...again so it stops NOW!!!!

.@ praker:

"I have bred, trained, socialized,lived with, loved and and developed this pup and you like it. Thank you for validating my breeding, training, socialization and development of my pup. Yet, since you hate me, you do not like the training which made the pup. I am sorry but THAT is funny to me."

 

Why should I hate you? Although I like dogs and training dogs I don´t tend to hate people, who train different. I tend to think about different views, and I am always willing to learn ( no matter from whom ).

I said "I like the pup, but I don´t like the training" not because of your goal with this dog ( PP ). Nobody needs to train IPO style in case he is not interested in IPO, and he wants the dog in question to become a PP dog later on - that´s personal preference.

I do have problems with your actual training, not with your personal goals - does this make sense to you?

It´s about developing self-confidence, grips, the timing, the kind you make use of the equipment, support of the dog, your explanations  ...

You are the one who wrote "development" in the topic, and who gave the videos ( from a playing puppy "biting" you to a young muzzled dog not knowing what to do with the helper ) free to the whole world.

I still like this young green dog, but I´d train her differently. The training at this point "made" a confused pup with shallow grips, not knowing about your goals.

I hope you appreciate my feedback

 

 

 

 Yes feedback are great.

IMO this is what is wrong with training of PP dogs today ,...early preoccupation with grips is misguided in civil training of PP/LE dog.. Grips are taught on equipment civil dogs are not trained on equipment they are actually taught to avoid equipment. This is not a sport! The goals are totally different; I work on dog being civil first. That involves targeting man ( and not his gear) development of aggression and intensity and seriousness which for her age is superb, if I may say so. I will post here words of my friend about this dog and topic from my forum and I agree w it  and I could not say it any better,.. thus I just repost it. :

 

I REALLY like Chi Chi and I like what I see on the video. Sure, I would build her up more and more but this ridiculous obsession with a dog displaying utmost confidence at all times in training has to stop. "She looks a little unsure", "she looks not confident" and my personal favorite "she needs to learn how to bite correctly" are insignificant in the training of a true samurai as Hans likes to call them. Perhaps on the sport field or pseudo tactical world it is paramount but not in reality. This is what is wrong with the working dog world. Chi Chi displays the seriousness and intensity and aggression that the GSD breed needs. These bass ackwards ideas that what is strong is weak and what is weak is strong are the KEY factors in the decline of all the great working breeds. It is a big part of the reason Hans is hearing about the failure of Malinois and it is a big reason that many complain about GSDs. Well here on this video you see the raw materials of a real working dog and you shun it. SHM

 

Prager Hans 

Prager, you don´t need to train IPO to train for a good grip ( a good grip does not implement "sporty", it does implement a secure dog, knowing what to do ), you use equipment, too, so why not develop a good grip during your training?

As in your video shown the helper gives the jacket to the pup, "agitating" the pup with the jacket, not with his presence.
There is no difference between a sleeve and a jacket, as long as the dog is focussed on the equipment, not the helper.
Different tool, same procedure. You could make use of it.

When I want to teach my dog to do muzzlework, I make my dog get used to the muzzle, afterwards I teach the dog how to work with a muzzle ( how to hit, where to hit ), no off leash at that point, no jumping around.

It´s like at school, different disciplines, the "knowledge" is written down in books, but no teacher would give the books only to the children, he would teach the structure first and foremost ( how to learn, structure of learning, the single steps ).

You are showing a dog trying to write, although it didn´t learn to read at first.

Once again, I don´t complain about your goal, I simply don´t like the way you try to reach this goal.

Edited, because I forgot: Theory and praxis don´t fit together.