Can someone explain me what this master trainer and master decoy are doing ?? - Page 18

I should also say for the sake of anyone who thinks I have a problem with Prager because of a dog I purchased he or she would be wrong. Ask Prager himself if I ever complained about it. I never have, to anyone. Even on his forum I stated numerous times I was happy with my dog. So no, if it appears that I have an issue with Prager it isn't as a customer. I'm only commenting on the training I see, as others are doing. And let's be honest, some have been a lot harsher than I.

Troublelinx,
I am not blind. I also relate to all animals remarkably well. I know what I see and have the words to tell.

Only because you ask, I would say issues in general

As far as training versus test goes I'll say this. In the the first part of training something new - like in this case a muzzle attack - is important to find out where the dog is at. Thus first part of the training is basically test. But I do not put these in boxes of test and training. Test can be done after the training is done or before it is started and anywhere in between. To me training happens on continuum where as I always say "I'm going along with the dog" thus while I train I continually see and evaluate ( test) where the dog is at. Doesn't everybody? It was the first session. That is why the first part was not so good. But it got good really fast if you care to actually watch the video. Next thing is "DUH" suggestion that dog should be able to bite before the muzzle is introduced. I assure you LOL. At this time - before the the muzzle was introduced Luv Luv performs bitework quite well . Thank you very much.

you have had your say so.

@troublelinx, first off the video in the OP is of training.

Second, how much stress would you put on a green dog? Also, what green dog hasn't done bite work? No flirt pole, no tug, no rag, etc.? Did the dog in the OP video have zero bite work?

Finally, if this video is now a test, and not training, what was being tested? Apparently it was a stress test. Testing a dog to see how it reacts to a stimulus is different than seeing how it reacts to stress in general. So I ask, since this is now a test, what was being tested?

Beetree this was not training and I am the decoy

Beetree according to your own admission, you are pet owner who have had 5 pet dogs, and as such I do not think you train muzzle attacks. So what you see and think does not bear much weight if this issue is discussed. You can ask questions which I would  answer if they are honest. But the fact is you are here just to kick the man when you think he is down. I am saying this only because you did not contribute to this discussion anything else.

As I said out of context

@Prager, ad hominem. Here is some logic for you to consider. If someone trains zero dogs and someone else trains 1,000 dogs, but all of them incorrectly, who knows more about dog training? This is merely me pointing out the flaw in your ad hominem.