Information regarding a pedigree and kennel - Page 2

Here is my big guy while hes its not a great picture he has a job he is doing while my Kune Kunes are out he protects them.

While I understand your thoughts on color and why you think a liver should be bred due to a great pedigree or otherwise, liver is a serious fault. That is according to AKC standard; if you are heeding to the German standard I am not sure, but certainly feel it is not a color that warrants breeding. Think about it, it is one thing to produce a liver and a totally different thing to breed liver due to a nice pedigree.

I hope you understand where I am coming from and I have to agree with Hexe I want everything in order prior to my purchase of any shepherd which includes color. JMHO Nan

@ Nans gsd

Thank you for your thoughts. I welcome them along with anyone's as long as this forum stays on topic.

As I said I am not a breeder just someone who happened to fall in love with a liver colored German Shepherd with a lovely pedigree, temperament, structure and started doing hours upon hours of research in a few years. My breed has always been the German Shepherd. The curiousity more comes from people asking hey are you thinking about breeding? I have not given it much serious thought I purchased this dog as a fun project to get in the show and work prove people the importants of research along with education reasoning that just because he is different doesn't mean he should be faulted for a simple color mistake.

What does he have to offer to the breed other than his temperament that YOU claim is solid and pedigree? Is he titled? Sounds like you’ve health tested as that seems to be the only reason to breed him…you’ve “done more than the bottom dwellers” so to speak.

I really doubt pedigree has anything to do with breeding to your dog. The potential customers that are looking for off colors aren’t looking at pedigrees. They’re not comparing one pedigree to another because in truth…there aren’t enough to compare. So few breeders in that market, that it’s probably color, distance, and flashiness of website that draws the majority of people in.

Your dog does have a nice pedigree, with Falk being in there it wouldn’t be surprising if the pedigree is correct as I know line breeding on Falk has produced off colors. With the top side being what it is, it can be questionable whether or not the pedigree is real as the dogs on the top side have been bred in that fashion hundreds and thousands of times, including Tom/Falk combinations and yours is the first off-color I’ve seen from such breeding which makes it a little fishy that the pedigree is what it is. That being said, the kennel has a history of breeding to very successful dogs and looks like even their females are expected to achieve high titles.

I also have a blue German Shepherd he has severe HD he will live out his life comfortable till he decides it's time and I will say goodbye when quality of life becomes a issue. He goes in this Friday to be neutered I have had many people want me to stud him out and I have turned them all away he's not a good representation of the breed and has genetic flaws (not taking in color)

@ Bavarian Wagon
I wouldn't breed without health testing done regardless but I do plan on entering him in some events. He currently isn't titled we are working on that. I am just asking for peoples thoughts as I was asked I don't wanna add to the problem of countless dogs in shelters however as I said if the only thing people can fault me on is color then really that in my book is laughable.

Also my stud hasn't been posted so not sure where you looking pedigree wise

oh you are looking at
Achilles vom Haus Dreisprung Pedigree

That is NOT my dog that is a dog that wants to be bred to my female liver. I have my doubts about the pedigree being stolen or the dog in question. Sorry we got off topic into color genetics. She wants two female pups from my lines and Achilles vom Haus Dreisprung I am on the fence because I have heard and had my doubts if it is a correct pedigree. Anyone can enter anything online

"Before I am attacked please note I do not consider myself by any means a breeder just someone that is very passionate about the German Shepherd breed regardless of any color produced. "

Sorry, but as soon as you breed you are a breeder.

"Passionate about the German shepherd breed"? Did you ever read the breed standard?
You don´t breed "regardless" of any color, you breed "for" colors, that are described as serious faults, at least in my country forbidden for breeding.

"I also want it all from a breeder."

There is not only health, but a breed standard, too - and as soon as you breed liver or blue colored German Shepherd Dogs, you maybe are a nice person, taking good care of your dogs and their health, but otherwise you simply are a bad breeder, no matter if your dogs are healthy or not.