Training language - Page 2

yes , susie called it correctly
dogs are primarily visually orientated , before auditory .just like children are more visual than auditory orientated compared to adults who are auditory before visual in orientation. On another thread , there was discussion how we so underestimate the intelligence of our GS... and our lack of understanding. YES, a gs does understand when in pack that you are addressing it it over the other pack members by simply addressing their name ,"Balto , Sitz " or " Balto , Come ". As matter of fact in  regars to the foolish misconception of the word usage of 'attention' I say the following : . Attention should not mean the dog looks TOWARD you . That is a physical manifestation. When the dog looks TO you that is a mental manifestation. [ at least it should be] . So when the dog hears it's name , the notion is that : Upon the dog hearing  i's name , the dog should, without an iota of hesitation , with it's mind  and physically with it's eyes p look to you, as if to say " what is it that you want ". That mental  and physical behavior takes place irregardless if you have 1 other dog or literally 14 other dogs in it's presence !

I have no idea where the notion of using different languages ever came into play. Wow....

  Even if you used multiple languages , does any one really think the other dog[s] wouldn't also in like , pick up the meaning of the other language ? Dogs pair meanings. I taught 1 dog three languages. German , French , English in combination with hand signals. Many times we taught dogs all basic Obedience with absolutely not ever, not once , speaking 1 word. That is how much YOU , yourself is THE FACTOR , above and beyond words in teaching your dog.

Thanks for the input everyone! Sounds like the popular consensus is to use one language for commands but use the individual dogs' names to define which dog is being commanded.

I'll try that route.

Thanks again!

LOL

I am German, living in America. Dogs really don't care about the language, to be honest. My dog knows Platz and "lay down". I'm talking to them in German and English.
My release is Okay and it's in a controlled setting and they know the difference between me releasing them (certain tone of my voice) and someone else saying Okay.

Use what ever language you are familiar on both dogs or in critical situations you may get confused. 

If you want to  command one dog and not the other then train each dog by scheme:   name -> command .  ( Buster - sit, Buster- come,....) That way you will be  able to address each dog individually. If you then want to address both dogs at the same time or if you compete and not use 2 word command then do not use any name. In order for this to work you need to devote some training to it. Especially since you have one dog already trained - probably with  commands without name. You can use this scheme on  mutliple dogs. 

 

Děkuju Prager.

Most of the time the Inflection of your voice is much more important then the actual word used...
I speak English but I train all my dogs in German...My dogs also understand what I want or say if I say it in English...
I would say to train all your dogs in "1" Language...don't confuse yourself...When I have a number of dogs out with me and I say "NO" ... I've never had a problem in getting my point across to the one I'm directing it to...
It used to be if you trained and showed in Schutzhund the rules were you had to use German...Now you can use your own language...

~Bob~

Není zač COGSD :)

Bob I understand . But there is more involved in what you are saying, then most people can handle. At one time I had 7 dogs and by using the technique described by me above( name -command) I could command them individually to come from down stay and so on.
On the other hand I agree with you . I could call one out of 2 or 3 dogs just by making eye contact with the dog which I have addressed.
However there are situations where I am out of sight and want the specific dog to come. Then Name - command scheme is helpful. Nothing is cast in stone though.

It all depends on the dogs themselves...but you're right...I can use a dog's name and single them out and give them a command...But I keep commands very simple...I said it from the beginning but people will get more confused then the dogs when using multiple languages to command your dogs...
I understand that if I have a number of dogs out and something happens it's enough just to remember the dog's name plus a command then to think too much more...
Most people can't control multiple dogs but if they're talking about 2 or 3 dogs it's not too bad...
I personally take 9 dogs out at one time...Sometimes I divide them up but I can control most things while I'm still cleaning kennels and feeding dogs...I've learned over the years how to keep an eye out of the kennel while I'm still doing things inside...but I do have a yard that is divided into a few different areas...

~Bob~

I used to run dogs in multiples up to 10, when I was working. I tended automatically to use the individual dog's name and then the command (eg "Teddy, wait"); but if I wanted them ALL to do the same thing at once, like lie down for instance, I would use "Everybody ... Down". They seemed to 'get' the "everybody" ! Although I used German words for one of my own dogs, because she always seemed to enjoy responding to them (?), she was not exercised with the workplace groups (although she did socialise with a couple or three individuals from among them); I did not use anything except English for the work dogs. Partly because if I tried, I did not get that bi-lingual appreciation that Vee showed (she was not born in Germany or anything like that), partly because I took all the work dogs over at different ages and stages of development and everyone else who'd had a hand in their Ob. training had spoken English to them ...