Bad nerves - Page 3

BV
talk to Brad of Valkyrie he will tell you about the distinct difference between a civil drive dog and a defensive drive dog. To the novice or even people who don' t work with those kinds of dogs ( IPO, etc ) , both behaviors look very similar.
A civil dog can bite a non threat but it is not doing because it is worried or afraid.

So one trainer says something and you throw it onto everyone else? On top of that it was a K9 trainer and you want to apply it to IPO trianers?

Some people do train their dogs to react to everyone and anything that gets close to them. That's fine. Other people expect their dog not to react unless a threat is presented. Dog 1 is useless for 99% of people. Not everyone wants to walk around with their dog in a muzzle and on a traffic leash. Dog 2 is a trained dog that can also engage when told or when a threat is presented and IMO a more useful dog for most people. Two different dogs for two different applications, people just need to pick the one that works best for them.

Mithuna I have a dog from Brad , he still has old type serious dogs

Yeah but BW which one ( if any ) is the weak nerved one. Give a logical explanation please.

Well
Said Bavarian ,thank you but that whole no defense work is an ipo thing . Which is wrong imo

Mithuna...what are you babbling on about? I never said a single thing about why a dog bites or what the difference is between civil or defense. It doesn't matter. You think it's alright for your dog to bite a non-threat? That's great! Have fun with the lawsuit! I'm sure it will be your dog's first and last bite. Other people enjoy doing bite sport or protection training with their dog and still want it to be safe around friends/family/public. Dog needs to learn control for most applications.

Without understanding the training and purpose of the dog, no one can make any kind of statement about the dog's nerves or thresholds or anything based on a single story from a handler.

 

And no offense...but you're again showing your inexperience and crazy amount of subjectivity. I'm not actually saying anything bad about dogs that bite...which shawnicus (who has some experience) has figured out and yet you keep babbling on and trying to start a conflict where there is none.

seancircus and mithuna are the same person! we are just being baited by masters

I don´t think so, gsd, a lot of pet people behave like them.

Shawni: "Well
Said Bavarian ,thank you but that whole no defense work is an ipo thing . Which is wrong imo"

Why do you think so? At least in my country we have to deal with the traits a dog has ( no trial, no breeding ).
A dog that shows more civility and/or defense than prey, will be worked according to its traits - what else?

As a show handler I handled a lot of civil dogs during the decades, they are not at all uncommon in IPO...
it´s about training and education - at the end in the best case you will see no difference, but neither the mindset nor the genetics of the dog changed...the dog just became manageable...

Mithuna, in my world there is a difference between "civil" and "defense", too, but I am not interested to discuss this point with you, wasted time - you clearly stated you are not interested in my opinion.

I recently had a reputed handler aggressive and high drive dog at my home for a few weeks. All I can say is terrible.
The dog has an engine in his ass...and so he never stops. He bounced off my basement walls everyday all day.

He was crated a lot before so when he was free in my basement he was probably confused about so much free energy.

Approaching him was a night mare as he was very head strong. Each time I went to my basement , if I did not have food ( a pound or so of chicken hearts ) he would be all over me. The only saving grace is that he would work for the food, and this is how I was able to down him and put the leash on his neck to take him out.
Damm that dog was a misery.

susie I did not know that was your feeling .Many trainers who dont come on pdb have different view points from some of the folks on here