Do you think he will bite for real? - Page 8

there is no such thing as the wrong bit of a human when a dog is used for anti terrorist, patrol , property protection etc, not all dogs are pets or showring runners
each to his own, I can fully understand that such dogs are not desirable as pets, companions or even sport dogs, but for "street jobs" a dog needs to bite more than a sleeve

How many of us do truly need a dog that will shred a face? No one denys that such dogs are needed but how many of us are truly in the position that they need such a dangerous dog. Because that's what a dog like this is. DANGEROUS!

What the hell are people on this forum compensating for? This entire topic is ludicrous.


Hundmutter, I was never even talking about you. Didn't even see your post until after you said something.

 

Every week we have people coming into our shop thinking that this is what the Shepherd is supposed to be. Biting, lunging, out of control dirty aggression.

 

STOP! JUST STOP IT! Because this is NOT what the shepherd is supposed to be and I'm sick of people promoting this type of aggression. I'm sick of it. I just put a dog to sleep that would shred faces and maul hands and would have had no issues shredding a childs face and almost did exactly that.

 

So when you talk shredding face and mauling hands, you need to clarify trained versus defensive piece of shit dog!

Admin: feel free to replace my swearing.  Done, Western Rider

Erbe just who do you think you are?No one has a legal nor moral obligation to like the same type of dog you seem to prefer. Admin what about a 2  deserving weeks in the slammer for  B  ERbe WE don't need your help thank you.  Western Rider

Jeez erbe, settle down lady, you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum.

I think we should 'get real' and realise that this actually isn't about "what a GSD should be".

Consider this:  the GSD is first and foremost a DOG, like other dogs.  If untrained in any bitework, it is likely to think as a dog,

and when forced to defend itself, if pushed into the position where it thinks it needs to bite rather than warn, it is very likely to go for the first place that presents itself. (Even the nicest dog can be pushed to excess !) I doubt Von Stephanitz would have claimed that even 'his' GSDs would innately know where the boundaries were, what it is acceptable to bite and still be thought a 'good, correct example of the Breed'.

A dog that bites your face is almost certainly aiming for your throat.  This is perfectly natural when you think of how canids kill prey, to eat.  Dogs do not have the luxury of choice involved

in deciding whether to put two bullets into a man's legs to try to stop him shooting you back, or to put them in his head and heart and thus stop him for sure.  They do not choose unless they have been trained to that choice.

Yes, of course it is irresponsible to want a dog that will bite like that; or, worse, to wish to train a dog deliberately to bite like that.  But there is not much difference between wanting a dog to bite someone (an 'assailant') on arms or legs, or groin or backside, WITHOUT a protective suit, and teaching the dog it can grab any bit it likes to disable the target (and thus not caring much WHERE that is). Yet we see people on here often enough praising just that.  It is they who promote the continuing image of the 'vicious' German Shepherd; I cannot recall whether VK has in fact crossed that line in all seriousness (if he has, he should surely think again !).  There may be folk in LE among that number, but not where I come from. UK Police Dog Handlers are way too disciplined.  But they do know that even a highly trained dog can occasionally get it wrong and revert to instinct, instead of the taught response. Hence the fact their dogs are supposed to be kennelled outside, not sleeping in the family.  Dogs CAN be dangerous, we shouldn't forget that.

Where do the PPD / PSA enthusiasts THINK their dog will catch someone in its teeth, if they are teaching it to jump at a car window, for example ? His lower arm ?

So long as the likes of Shawnicus and Mithuna keep raising ridiculous comments and questions which pre-suppose an answer based in a dog having opportunities to bite in the 'wrong' places, we will continue to have this problem on PDB and it will be a part of that spread of misinformation about keeping GSDs around the planet.  So it has to be commented on.

 

LOL, I'm not dictating anyone to like anything.

What I'm saying is that there is appropriate aggression and aggression that sin't appropriate.

Ya'll don't see to see the type of dogs that we are dealing with on a daily basis and people believe that the type of aggression described on here is appropriate and it clearly isn't.

You live with your out of control dog that's ruling your family and I live with my well balanced and safe dog. I don't care what you personally live with. What I care about is what is being promoted as the norm and as correct and that simply isn't it!

I am out. I can't deal with this type of BS. This topic needs to be closed, better yet, deleted. Period!

I've seen too many dogs that want to go after you and specifically go for your face and those are not the type of dogs that you want around any person whatsoever. My good friend was mauled by one, another one almost went over a 4 ft wall to go after me. These type of dogs are not normal dogs. They are dangerous, unpredictable lunatics and NOT confident either. A bullet or the juice is the only right thing. If you say shredding face and mauling hands, that is not a safe dog. Not in my experience and not in the experience of most Trainers, Decoys or people I know. But hey, what do we know...

 

No Erbe! To the contrary this discussion  just got educational/useful in my opinion!  We better not "close down" or "delete" discussions because folks are simply disagreeing about things, no matter how passionate one might be about a topic ! I want every and all sides expressed. I like what you've written here and I like what Hundmutter, VK and duke wrote as well ,,the dog you posted stayed the sleeve with commitment /dedication for the reward :) you should do the same here ,,, 

:))

#lovethisplace

I have a love&hate relationship with this place, hence the long breaks in between posts/topics.

Erbe
I know a dog was sold to a company in Chicago that that problems with warehouse break ins. The dog had to be shipped in crate + plus muzzled + e collar.
Sad but true the dog died after the first weekend on duty at the warehouse. He was found nest morning stabbed with a screw driver through the head , but you know what? He had a human hand in his mouth.
Would he ne a good dog in your eyes?

 

What about Mike Suttle's male Arco that Mike mentioned on another forum that when Arco came to the US in WV he had to be deprived of food for 16 days before he could even be approached.  Whats wrong with a dog like that?

He also has another male who cannto be worked because they cannot control his drive ( but he is used as a stud ). Is that type ok?