Line fishing with one of my dogs - Page 10

Who said these dogs are impossible to find or that they are rare? Stalllar training doesn't put genetic environmental soundness into a dog that lacks it. Who is bragging that they are stellar trainers besides you trying to come across as one. Prove it.

I absolutely agree with u Duke

duke...there are plenty of good GSD. "Weaker" ones might win, they get bred to, but it doesn't take people long to realize they're not producing much. Those “weaker” dogs are also a hell of a lot stronger than your average club dog at any club in the world. They might not be the top of the top and those borderline “untrainable” dogs…but they’re still stronger than 95% of the dogs sitting in people’s back yards not doing anything or heading out to club once or twice a week. National winners and WUSV winners are clearly popping out of dogs that aren't winners themselves and those in the breed and the sport know that. I don’t think you have any issues filling orders for K9s and search dogs. If puppies were cheaper in the United States…there wouldn’t be any issue filling orders from American breedings either. High level dogs are a different story…they’ve always been hard to find and still are. A dog that can take the pressure it takes to be as exact as people need it to be is extremely rare and I don’t think that’s an accurate gauge of how the breed is doing.

In Europe…it’s easier to find that diamond in the rough, that dog that trains and brings that something extra to the table and because of training or just pure genetics isn’t going to score 270. In the United States…it’s impossible. You’re not finding that dog. Rarely are they trained. Most of the time their owner will squash that drive before the dog is old enough to know it even has it, and even if they do take it to club and train…no one will ever lay eyes on that dog when clubs are half a day drive away from one another. Internet helps…but even then the majority of people aren’t computer literate and aren’t posting videos for people to even know their dog exists.

There are plenty of good dogs...the dogs shown here have been good dogs. They're not rare, they're not hard to find. They're out there. If trained/raised differently they'd probably fit into a different role as well. Dogs with good environmental nerves aren't rare either...I'm tired of hearing how every podium dog or IPO dog HAS to have environmental issues. They don't. Most of you have never even met one to know, if you have, it would've been on the field. The only reason you believe they have environmental issues is that someone had said to you at some point and you wanted to believe it. You have no idea WHY that person gave you that information or how true it is, but you wanted to believe it, so you did, and now you spread it like wildfire to try to sell the dog in your back yard and put a $500 stud fee into your pocket or just find some way to sell the puppies out of that dog for $2000 rather than have someone go to that breeder nearby who's actually putting in the work and titling/working/proving their stock.

Duke sent u a message check your box thanks

BW: 'The only reason you believe they have environmental issues is that someone had said to you at some point and you wanted to believe it.'

No, just the opposite. I wanted to believe what I was told about how sound the dog was, so I spent $15,000
to own him. I saw with my own eyes that the dog had environmental issues....


'You have no idea WHY that person gave you that information or how true it is, but you wanted to believe it, so you did, and now you spread it like wildfire to try to sell the dog in your back yard and put a $500 stud fee into your pocket or just find some way to sell the puppies out of that dog for $2000 rather than have someone go to that breeder nearby who's actually putting in the work and titling/working/proving their stock.
The dog in the video is not even for sale. The pups from that dog that I did sell, I sold for only

 

$1500 and a bunch I gave away...for no fee. Who's the 'nearby breeder' of who you speak? I have titled, I work and prove my dogs. As for 'spreading like wildfire', that's plain silly...that podium dog I neutered and placed in a pet home, he is now deceased. I lost about $12,000 on that dog, but learned a hands on lesson that being a podium winner does not equate to environmental soundness....and nobody 'told me' that bit of fact, I learned the hard but sure way....by experience.

Btw, as for $500 stud fee, if you are speaking about my dog in the video, i've never bred him. And the only outside breeding i've ever done, was with the grandsire of the dog in the video and it was$1000 fee, not 500. And before you through more trash, I raised his grandsire from a 8 week old pup, trained and titled him.
Just more of you rubbish.

as a matter of fact it is very difficult to find enough dogs that are suitable for K9, even for detection only, especially in the pedigree dogs, and you cannot imagine how many enthousiastic young trainers I meet who bought a pup from the latest champion and offering it for sale at ten to 12 months because the dog isnot good enough and all it is good for is garden ornament or companion dog

also I see a lot of dogs that are environmentally unstable, partially this comes because sportdogs alot of times dont see any other environment other than the trackingfield and the clubfield,

secondary I believe environmentally unstability is mostly genetic, I know several dogs/lines were most offspring has problems, other lines have offspring without issues,

finally I do believe that there are better and stronger dogs sitting in peoples back yards without anybody ever noticing this

Excellent points, duke.

One more thing about that hot shot podium dog I bought...I did not not keep one single pup from him. I raised several to see how they would turn out....multiple missing teeth on pups from different females, undescended testicles in two males, environmental issues. I exrayed several, and spent a small fortune spaying females after raising them for a year and placed them into pet homes for free.

All this sport bashing is jealousy of people that never made it and are trying to look relevant in gsd world.

So glad I don't have anything to sell and have to stoop like this.

 

Mod edit.. once again vk if you have issues with modertion contact a mod, If you feel there's bashing going on use your abuse button and we will look at your complaint.

 

Duke people that do sport don't owe you anything because their is not an endless supply of dogs for you to sell. Breed your own supply if you don't like it, stop being the middle man between failed sport dogs offered to you to unload.

Duke, I agree with you that finding dogs that are environmentally sound is not easy. Titled dogs are generally not tested for environmental soundness because, as you mentioned, it's not needed on the field.

I sent a 15 month old female that I raised out of a sister of the dog in the video with a guy who is using her for drug and weapons detection dog. Afteronly five months bonding and training, she hit on a loaded shot gun and drugs in two vehicles at high school parking lot first day on the job. The man has been a k9 trainer/handler for 30 years and he said he never had a dog train as easily and work so tirelessly, no matter the environment, the way my female does....and he has had mal and gsd.

Nobody is 'bashing' sport dogs, just speaking the truth about the subject.

Jealous? No, nothing to be jealous about. I think duke knows where to look for prospects and doesn't need a wannabe to tell him what to do.