Roached backs - spread the religion! - Page 12

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT PICTURE OF QUANTUM V ARMINIUS OR ZAMP V THERMODOS.THE BACKLINE OF THESE DOGS IN THIER PICTURES ARE NOT POKER STRAIGHT,THEN LOOK AT THIER PROGENY PICTURES HAVE ALL THESE DOGS GOT A SERIOUS FAULT.ZAMP IMO IS THE BEST DOG TO EVER HAVE GRACED THIS EARTH AND YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME HE HAS A SERIOUS FAAULT,YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS,SORRY BUT I AM GLAD YOU ARE NOT A QUALIFIED JUDGE AS GOD KNOWS WHERE THE GSD WOULD END UP. LIZ

BLITZEN

you seem very confused to me. on the 13th Sept 06 your user comments on V2 (HZS 06 HGH) Galaxy Von Ajaye------

CONGRATULATIONS ON GALY'S FINE SHOWING AT THE SEIGER. HE DOES EVERYTHING ASKED OF HIM AND DOES IT WITH STYLE. HE'S AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE VERSATILITY OF THIS BREED.

NOW------ LOOK AT THAT DOGS BACKLINE IN STANCE. IT IS CURVED. IT IS NOT STRAIGHT AND IT IS NOT ROACHED.

WHY DIDN'T YOU POINT THAT OUT WHILE GIVING CONGRATULATIONS, CAUSE AFTER ALL, ACCORDING TO YOU AND MANY OTHERS THAT DOGS BACKLINE IS INCORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAKE YOUR MIND UP WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU ARE ON, OR DO YOU JUST SIT ON THE FENCE UNTILL SOMETHING CATCHES YOUR EYE THEN YOU DECIDE WHICH SIDE TO CHOOSE LOL

ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SAID DOGS PEDIGREE. ARE THOSE DOGS ALSO INCORRECT???????????

"Remember the back hast o be higher than the witherst, thats a roached back"

Could you say where this has come from.  Who says so.... apart from Jeck of course

Brady Bee. how nice of you to spend so much time reading my previous posts and following up to be sure I am being consistent. I truly am flattered albeit puzzled as to why you'd spend you time in that manner. For you information, I've seen Galaxy, he does not have a roachy topline as the photo seems to show. I don't think that photo does him justice at all.  In fact it looks nothing like him IMO. On that photo, he does look roached. I've not seen Ursus, so can't comment on whether of not he is actually roached or if it's the photos. You are the one who says it is possible to take a dog with a straight topline and make it look roached on a photo, aren't you? If that is so then photos lie and there is only one way to decide if these dogs really have a straight back or not - that would be to see them in the flesh. Why are they set up to look raoched? Beats the hell out of me.

Any dog that can attain an HGH, a Sch 3 and end up vice HGH Sieger at the German Siegerschau losing the Sieger title to a Kirschental, will always be a fine representative of the breed to me. Do you have any idea what it takes for a dog to have accomplished all of that in less than 2 years? He has never failed to do one thing that was asked of him and yes, to me that makes him a fine representative of this breed. And, no, he is not my dog, but I wish he were.

BLITZEN

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT I SAID ABOUT MAKING A DOG WITH A CORRECT TOPLINE LOOKED ROACHY IN A PHOTO, AS YOU STATE THAT IN THE FLESH, THE DOG LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE PHOTO. MY POINT EXACTLY. YOU CANNOT REALLY JUDGE A DOG FROM A PHOTO!!!!!!!!!!!!   PEOPLE ON HERE WHO BASH GERMAN SHOWLINES ALWAYS SEEM TO FIND THE MOST AWFUL PHOTOS TO PROVE THEIR POINT.  I COULD POST LOTS AND LOTS OF PHOTOS OF WORKING LINES WHO NOT ONLY HAVE INCORRECT TOPLINES, BUT ARE IN NO WAY ANYWHERE NEAR THE STANDARD. I WOULD NOT DO THAT HOWEVER, BECAUSE EACH OF THESE DOGS BELONGS TO SOMEONE, AND UNLIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE I HAVE MANNERS. I THINK IT IS RUDE TO PASS COMENT ON ANY INDIVIDUAL DOG UNLESS SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO.

ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE DOG USED FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES FOR THE STANDARD ON THIS VERY DATABASE, TO REALISE WHAT IS CORRECT AND WHAT IS NOT. I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS SUBJECT KEEPS COMING UP. ITS ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE. WHY DONT WE JUST GET ON WITH LIFE AND ENJOY OUR DOGS.

WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS DATABASE I HAD SORT OF PICKED YOU OUT AS ONE OF THE "FRIENDLIER POSTERS" SO I DID HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS.   ITS NOT THAT I FIND YOU VERY INTERESTING . JUST NOSEY I SUPPOSE. THATS THE SCOTTISH IN ME LOL

Brady Bee, I do not believe for one moment that every dog that looks like a roach back on a photo actually has one in the flesh. Nor do I believe all that look roachy are not so in the flesh. There are multiple reasons for a topline that is not straight.  You can set up some dogs to look roached, some you just can't. My dog is one that cannot be set up to look roached. He has a very straight, level topline and it has little flexibility.  He is moderately angulated on both ends and is 100% showlines with a very impressive pedigree. He is pet quality, neutered, never intended to be bred or shown.  Neither his sire or his dam had roaches. In other words, all roach backs are not the same and not all are the results of the same issue. Some are more pronounced than others and happen at different areas of the spine.

If you read another of my posts where I said that I attended NASS a few years ago and saw very few dogs walking around with roached backs  you will know that I have been saying the same thing since 2005 - not all GSD's that look roached truly are so in the flesh. However, the same dogs can look just horrible the way they are setup. Why do handlers do that? Is there a weakness in the dog's spine thaqt allows the dog to be manipulated in that manner? If so, is it correct for the breed, maybe a survival characteristic that allows him to be more agile? I don't know, do you? I do know that not all GSD's can be manipulated in that manner, neither of mine could be, I tried it. If it's a fault in the way the spine is constructed, then just maybe breeders should be thinking about ways to breed it out rather than simply saying - oh, it's not a big deal, it's just the way the handler sets up the dog. A "bendable" spine may be just the tip of the iceberg or it may be correct for the breed.  Should GSD's have the type of spine that allows them to be manipulated into standing with a roach or not? You cannot do that with any other breed as far as I know.

IMO the best way to judge a GSD's topline is watching it move. If it moves with a roach, then there is clearly something going on with that particular dog that is probably not desirable in a tending breed. For every action, there is a reaction.

Well, if anyone knows of a breeder, that has a young pup that will grow up to look just like Maximum vom Trompetersprung, please PM or Email me. I think he's beautiful.

Roach or no roach? What's wrong with this dog? Opinions please.

We use to handle our own dogs in the ring,one dog we owned had a very straight back and i could never have stood him any other way.then one day he was at a breed show and was given to a professional handler and the difference was amazing.not just in stance but gaiting too,he was placed the highest he had ever been.we never handled our dogs again. The top handlers here are very much in demand and paid highly for thier services,also all over the world.I would find it hard to believe that some dogs do not have a bendable spine,as it is needed for certain functions ie mating a bitch,squating for toilet duties,etc.etc. I would think both these functions would be near impossible without some bending of the spine.I also have two cocker spaniels who when standing have very straight back,but i can make them arch thier spines in a stance. liz