Hessel daughter back on Craigslist - Page 10

Sadly since this supposed incident happened in Oklahoma (i'm pretty sure that's where PH is), the laws here suck. my ex killed 12 of my dogs while i was in california having surgery and what happened to him???? NOTHING. not a damn thing.

i don't know this person, but i hope she reaches out to those that will help her.  there are people in Oklahoma that can and will help.

RIP Hessel

There ARE people in OK who would help and have TRIED to help, to no avail. I know of several who have gone way out of their way to help the dogs, help Vickie (for the sake of the dogs), etc. The laws do kind of suck.

Who holds the papers to the dogs still in her care? What if pups were unable to be registered out of them? Would that make them useless to her and let their owners take them back, OR would she go ape$h!+ like she has in the past and would the dogs suffer (or die) for it. I know she has threatened horrible things before in situations like this. 

But hey, she's selling Yorkies and Dogues de Bordeaux now, so maybe she'll just get bored with GSDs and move on to torture other breeds.

That Taos Spirit lady is a big part of this. Maybe Bhall and whoever else owns dogs in her "care" could get through to that Cindy lady instead.  

Bhall please don't feel like the Lone Ranger,  I feel guilty as hell too.  I stuck up for Vickie on this board over another issue she had way back in December 2009 regarding the purity of a litter of puppies.  Also note that there was an issue of unregisterable pups from Darko, apparently because of her issues with Darko's owner, but apparently that wasn't enough to stop her from breeding him.  

Here is the thread: 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=347119

Sound familiar?  I have definitely learned my lesson.  I used to chalk it up to her being well intentioned but equipped with poor organizational skills, bad record keeping.  Not any more.

I said that I would recant anything that I said was untrue providing Vickie sent me documentation of same.  I'm sorry to say that what a I got was just a rehash of what happened with Arthos, more of the same bullshit.   Amazing.

I hope you can get Sam back.  Good luck. 

She made several of us look like schmucks. Not that I need a lot of help in that department...

Dogs that were healthy for nine years instantly become gravely ill when sent to her, dogs go missing from her care under bizarre circumstances, dogs somehow die under her care from exotic causes - and all she has to offer to explain these events is excuses, nonsense and evasion.

The growing track record makes it pretty hard not to conclude that Vickie Lanig = Bartmess Jr.

Bhall I just wanted to say how sorry I am that I blurted it out like I did.  It made me feel really bad--I had no idea she got the dog from you and still owed you money.  It made me feel a little better to see she had already posted it but in a hidden sort of way.  I am so sorry for you and that you lost your dog and not knowing what really happened to him. 

Also for anyone interested, don't know the county name but she is located in Claremore, OK which is close to Tulsa. 

vonissk, that is no problem at all.  She still has Sam and my money so I will try my best to get him back before he is pronounced dead.  She emailed me a picture of Sam a while back talking about that she is training with a Chief of Police (another tactic to intimidate me)  How is the Chief going to protect her?  I just wish she would do the right thing and give up the animals to someone that can care for them.  I have been thru hard times myself but if the day ever comes where I can't care for my dogs the proper way (not just the minimum) I will certainly place them with someone that can even if it means a big financial loss. 
I know that many people think nothing can be done or she always falls thru the loopholes.  Let me tell you, if there is a will there is a way.  Don't do it out of spite, do it for the animals.  I will not give up because I am not a quitter.

Truly a sad ending for such an outstanding dog R.I.P. Hessel!!!!!

i am sorry for your loss. people like her should be treated like she treats the animals in her care. i dont tolerate neglect at all. especialy if you are careing for others dogs. gah it just irks me. my male was abused as a pup and tied to a tree he just now got better to get cancer. but if you hold up a twig from a tree like to play fetch with him like your going to throw it he runs. all because of people like this wonderful dogs are RUINED. just plain ruined.