Why are Showlines generally priced higher than Working Lines?? - Page 14

GSDnewbie
Why do you not read the post correctly, you have a one track mind, The post is not put in the context you have read it, read it again twice if you need to, then you will get the gist of what i am saying.
Now it is 1.0clock over here Dog training did not go well tonight, and it is time for Bed
Steve1

This is V Amigos vom Kirschental Sch1, KK1"a"  He is owner/handler trained and all showline.  I too get tired of all show dogs being classified as no good.  There is good and bad in both working lines
and show lines.
Best Regards,
Cheryl

Wow, this thread has really taken off. I'm almost sorry I posted the question that led to all this back and forth on which lines are the better line according to the standards set by Max. I posted this same question in a different forum, and though I got many replies, lovers of both lines avoided that argument for the most part. To each his own. It has been very educational, though. I find both lines beautiful and when bred as they are meant to be, a credit to the breed. Bancroft, the video you posted of the working dog was amazing. I watched several more of his videos - amazing dog and intriguing to watch. I have to apologize for not being more specific in my original post. I was reading through threads in a different forum, and I'd seen a few posts regarding someone looking for a GSD and asking for breeder recommendations. The questioning then led to what their goals were, if they were familiar with the different lines, etc. And then it was mentioned that Showlines were generally $1200-$2500 and Working Lines around $1000-$1500 - generally. So out of curiosity, I wondered why the price difference. I've seen some ridiculously priced pups, but I was not considering those brackets in my original question. My question was pretty much answered in regards to the costs of training in SL vs WL and demand. This thread was not posted with the intention for folks to break down the weaknesses of each line and compare which was superior. I'm sure everyone here has seen this argument played out many, many times in this forum. So my apologies, but thank you to everyone from both sides of the lines for sharing your experience, knowledge, and general passion for the breed...

This is a futile argument and one with no ending. But it has added a little spunk to the board.

I think it a mistake for anyone to take as personal, comments intended on the general direction of the S/L. If you have a good dog, then it is a good dog, no matter the color.

But to argue that the direction the s/l has taken is best or even adequate for producing what the GSD was intended to be is only fooling yourself. And does no service to the breed.

It is not possible to put traits like courage, sound nerves and demanding solid proof of these traits on the back burner and still produce them consistently. 

JMO,
Rik

Well said Rik. I have a problem with all show breeders that lose sight of the breed. Breed em as purdy as ya want, but don't forget about their purpose. The further you get away from what it once was, the less it should be called such, no matter the breed. Take the Dobe as a model. I can count on one hand the breeders I'd even consider inside the US.

I've worked both, plenty of them.  I've only owned one type, and it's most likely all I'll ever own.  I can count on one hand, showline dogs I've worked that I found to be what I expect a good shepherd to be.  If I really think back, maybe two hands, but I'd have fingers left over.  

I have never had any trouble living with the dogs I keep.  They live in the house with us.  Some have come from kennel environments where they spent a few years before coming here and have adjusted just fine.  You do have to do something with them, but that's expected when you get a dog bred for working, but if I feel like laying around all day, they can do that too. 

Chaz do not get me started with dobes!!!  My favorite breed to train, why dont I have one?  I've been sold so much crap I hesitate to get another.  The big dollar working line imports have been rotten toothless spook bags! Best temperment I have seen was my pet AKC showline. Solid as a rock, but I will never find another like him.  My kingdom for a good working dobe!  I love Shepherds but there is nothing like the handler sensitivity of a Dobermann.  The only way I will ever get another is if a breeder sends me a dog and I can send the money later if the dog shows up with teeth and good temp ":)

Chaz, take the show beagle, take the Irish Setter, take the Old English Bulldog, take the American Show Shepherd. Take any number of breeds who can no longer function for their intended purpose because they were diverted to form over function.

I have a s/l dog, I guess because I have always had s/l dogs (even Dobes). No other way to explain it. But I am probably as anti s/l s/l person as any around. And I mean that as the general direction, not individual dogs that do well.

I guess I am a true pairadocs.

Rik

Rik, that was my point. SL anything!---------------------Brynjulf, PM me. That is a breed that needs to be resurrected!

My post above is NOT knocking the SL, Have you not noticed i said useless WL
What the idea of putting the post in the context i did was to try and wake some of you Guys up from your sleep and i am sorry but i failed to do it.
What it means is this.
The WL sometimes down the SL the SL people down the WL. now if the WL section SCHUTZUND ceased to exist and the sport stopped where or what would happen to all those sports dogs i have laid it out in black and white it is there for all to see
The same applies to the SL, no SCHUTZUND work to do just run round the ring and look pretty,So there you have it what would all those dogs do, There is no room in the other areas which people consider real work for these dogs, it is these people i am trying to get to understand, NO ROOM for PP dogs NO ROOM for POLICE DOGS, NO ROOM for any other SERVICE DOGS, there are 10s of 1000's of SL doing the Show sport and the same applies to the SCH sport
Now do some of you understand what i mean, what would happen to all these dogs if the SCH sport and the Show sport ceased to exsist.
and by the way do not PM me like some have i do not need it and no answers will be returned answer it on here the way it is supposed to be done , in other words have a bit of bottle and act like grownups.
Steve1