GSD breeder for ring sport? - Page 15

glbtrottr...at no point was I referencing you. Paronoid.huh....Concerning the pup...wasn't the right time to add another dog with all the construction going on here. Plus, I wasn't comfortable......
I have no disclaimers....breeding German Shepherds for sport, I don't care what sport it is....not for me. I am not about to start spouting names of people who want to buy one of my dogs...even though they've asked continuously about my Eich von der Berger Hochburg daughter. You are breeding German Shepherds without aggression...agh! I can show you numerous showline dogs that are as capable as workingline dogs...( you didn't avoid the show vs working line stuff:-))
Now, I work dogs too and shit is shit no matter where you step in it:-) I participate in schutzhund...ain't apologizing for that....availability factor....that being said...I see some very good dogs...yeah, they do schutzhund...and a few are working police dogs...plenty that could play the game of ring as well as any dog you have claiming it is sooooooo much better cause they do ring:-) Hope your pups are winners. Enjoy!!!

Quote: .plenty that could play the game of ring as well as any dog you have claiming it is sooooooo much better cause they do ring:-) Hope your pups are winners. Enjoy!!!

I didn't read anyone saying that. However, I want to see them doing ring, not hear how they could have, or might have. Not a fuck you statement, just something that I would like to see. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk3sul_bob-championnat-de-france-2011_sport

This dog has been to the Championships last year. There is an interesting surprise at the end of the video. 

I want to see them doing ring, not hear how they could have, or might have. Not a fuck you statement, just something that I would like to see. 

I'd like to see the same....this is the internet right....out of site...out of mind!

thanks jeff

I like sam beit haboxer to I must say he seems to be a nice working dog with good drive

Interesting point - really - some philosophical and some not.

When we were training in French Ring and Mondio, "focused attention" and "heeling" simply didn't garner the difference in points - not at the National level that I know of.  Sure, judges may ding for "personal allure", but in reality, so long as the dog is at your side or within the allocated distance, point loss really isn't the issue from what I've seen.

On all of the attacks, my dogs have been fairly flawless.  The face, the defense, Accessory attacks, all works great.  My obedience has been a bit loose - my fault and something i'm trying to correct with effort and time.

In Schutzhund, a whole different story. I guess as I'm beginning to head down the path of focused attention heeling on my older dogs and some of the younger pups, I'm certainly learning quite a bit.  Some of the pups will certainly be high scoring dogs in SchH, as their obedience and attention is great.  Do they bit the rag and sack?  Sure.  Will they eat a sleeve? I have great video of an awesome puppy eating a 3"thick gappay tug.

The reality is that one or two of my pups will never make it into ring, and have been sold accordingly.  They're just not there.  Could they turn on later? Sure.

To Judron's comments on "agression" :  I love to see how many trainers love to backtie a dog on a harness, work their dogs into defense or aggression with an agitation collar out of their goards, offer up a sleeve, or park their dog in a box or a table, and because their dog is fully in defense, they believe they have a great dog.  Then...suddenly...pull the sleeve off, make the sleeve disappear, *change the context*, and see what the dog does...send the dog on a bite when the decoy / helper is offering no presence and no threat, or try recalling on a stop attack, or how the dog would react to a dog encountering an obstacle along the way or having an object thrown their way, or water, or or or...let's see how many of these great dogs break along the way.  Just Sunday one of these awesome European SchH 3 "hard dogs" was a loose dog on the field, the dog came barreling down my way like a train full of teeth, I had no protection short of a scratch suit, and...lucky for me, whatever I ended up doing resulted in the dog making a "B" line and continuing along.  Really? A French or Mondio Ring dog would have had me for lunch...and most handlers would have had more control on their dog enough to recall him instead of the reckless behavior I saw that day.  The training for each sport is markedly different in some places.

A couple of thoughts on French and Mondioring: 

1) I remember hearing way too much trashtalking from people in ringsport who specifically said a German Shepherd could never cut it in the sport and they wouldn't be able to do the exercises. 

Bullcrap, don't listen to the bullsh*t. 

Last year's champion (I think) was a GSD - and we've had some great showings in French Ring and MondioRing alike.  GSD's approach the exercises a little differently, but in all, they do great.  Not all, not most, but some.  I think Lasso from Colorado has been coming along.  Kim in California continues working her showline, and we'll see an MR two from her one of these days, I think.  I believe Promise in Colorado is working a sable on a two as well- there are more than a few others crossing over or dedicating.  So to all GSD's who are curious about French and MondioRing, come visit!  Talk to any of the ringers - plenty of them are very welcoming.  Any of us will be happy to bring anyone with a GSD along.

An interesting thing I noticed is how much of a big deal Schutzhund Decoys make taking bites from dogs.  Really?  On scratch pants and a sleeve? Perhaps you get a little bit of a workout, but...try putting on a bitesuit with a crusher of a dog as compared to a sleeve sucking dog, get a few compression bruises along the way, and see what happens...I see no reason why more people don't step up at a club, men and women alike, and contribute by putting on a pair of scratch pants and a sleeve, all while learning from a good helper / teacher / mentor. 

2) I remember talking to Wallace about this not long ago.  "Hey, Wallace:  have you been to a Mondio trial lately? ever? "NO, but I saw a video on TV".....yeah.  "then why is it that you think Mondio is so much worse than Schutzhund?  We made a bet, and I'll collect on it.  Those of you who "think" you could, or *think* your dog can bring it, quit thinking, and bring it.  The only way to stop talking and start walking is by joining USMRA / ARF / NARA, getting a scorebook, and see what your dog is made of, along with your training - rather than telling fish tales about what an awesome dog one has.  .

glbtrottr

 I agree

But I dont know the RING sport because we dont't have this here unfortuneatly but  I think it looks like a sport for me

  I like KNPV to alot but that we dont have here either but we have PH a litle similar to KNPV

Where are you located?

I have done both FR and SchH and have competed on the national level in both and still say it is more difficult to score 96+ pts. in 3 phases at a national event.

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