Qualification trial - Page 23

Please read what Steve1 wrote .. he is trying to help.  Following the rules is always difficult for Americans apparently.  I know this from experience as I worked for a German company and the Americans ( I am American by the way ) could never follow the rules.  When the rest of the world moved to Kilograms, Liters, and Meters the Americans clung to their pounds, quarts, and yards until forced to convert.  After the WUSV rules and constitution moratorium that the USCA ran for 6 years until the WUSV threatened to boot them out if they did not acknowledge the WUSV constitution and stop screwing around with the GSDCA-WDA, I do not know why I am surprised that the USCA would cheat at the WUSV qualifier .. it's just the USCA's nature to cheat and they can't help themselves.  Hopefully the GSDCA and GSDCA-WDA has learned their lesson and there will be no deals, cooperation, or rules between the GSDCA, GSDCA-WDA, and the USCA.  The USCA has proven to be deceitful and not follow the rules and there is no reason left for the rest of the German Shepherd community in the United States to cooperate with the USCA.  The arrogance of the USCA, this small insignificant dog club with 3000 members or less, is legendary and we get their "anything to win" mentality.  The other 3.5 million GSD's in the United States are the people I want to work with which includes the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA.  I guess the USCA leadership and membership is doomed to deal with themselves and that is punishment enough.  Win or lose the USCA is a bunch of jerks and I bet there are lots of nice people in the organization but apparently they lack the guts or just don't care to stop the stupid behaviors their organization believes makes them superior.  If the USCA membership is happy with what has happened in years past and how their leadership works to undermine the WUSV and IPO rules and just the rules of fair play please continue on your current path ..  I believe it leads to the place you belong.

Wallace you are full of it .. one judge was consistent and if on the high extreme he was high for everyone (West).  Caputo was not lower than West in protection for USCA members and in fact gave higher scores than West for three USCA participants but tremendously lower than West for the WDA participants.  There is no way to spin this that does not show that fact.  It was an ambush set up by the USCA when they picked Caputo for a judge .. and the question remains did Krista Wade deserve a 78 ??  I have seen no video of her protection routine so if you have one please post it.  IPO would be so much better off if the club trial was as far as it went .. no championships at any level to stop this cheating which is killing the sport.

Agreed Bubba,
Mike West protection score ran from 87 (for a WDA member) to 100 (for a UScA member)
MIke Caputo   "                "               77                "                      98             "
Mike West protection scores for UScA members compared to Mike Caputo 2 the same score then -5, -4 +1 +2 +2 +3  1 point difference
Mike Caputo                               WDA                                   Mike West           -4 -6 -5 -13 -9 -16 -10   (ALL scores lower)   63 ! points difference or an average of -7 points for all dogs

Mike West gave his lowest protection score to a WDA ,member and highest to a UScA member
Mike Caputo was the exact opposite.

It's not hard to see who gave consistent and fair scores to members of both WDA and UScA and who played favorites.


Thomas Barriano

I am not sure that I see the "set up" by Caputo or UScA that "honey boo boo child" is referring to....

Caputo gave Frank Philips ( Vice president of UScA) an 83 in obedience, where West gave him an 88..
Caputo also gave T floyd ( a UScA member) an 85 in protection, where West gave him a 92.....

Scores were all over the place in all areas for everyone not depending on the organization affiliation....deal with it!



Amanda

I was told about this thread by a club member and after reading the head banging mindless dribble about which team is No. 1, which has the best looking cheerleaders and who's judge was biased. I came to the conclusion the reason America is not consistently producing solid dogs which hold up in these types of venues is paralleled with the mind set here. The thought that every dog that keeps his nose down, lays down on an article, heels next to it's handler, brings a block of wood over a jump, and grips, an arm, outs and re-attacks at a national, or world qualification trial, are within the same point spread. It clearly wasn't that way! My bet is if you take the average scores earned at this event and subtract 2-3 and in some cases 6 that is what these members will receive at the WUSV in October.
What IPO competitors who have never shown at a National or World event miss is that there is more to the points that head up animated heeling. There is more to it than just barking, gripping and outing. Power and fighting drive points separate the pack by 5 points alone and there were more than a few that lacked power throughout the performance. Head checks to the handlers in the guarding, silent guards that lacked intensity, prevention of the escapes that were more strapping on for the ride. For those who are sitting in their cheeto stained chairs, get off the farm and visit some of the big named competitors clubs or suit up and put on arm on for 1 grip and tell me you don't feel the difference between full and hard and full and crushing. Do yourself a favor lean forward turn up the volume and blow that screen. Listen to the intent in the barking, look at the quivering back legs of the dogs ready to strike, zoom in on the grip and see the full crushing grip, "open your mind or close your mouths". If you fail to see that there were performances that far surpassed others and points were given that were not earned you will never reach an event of this caliber and walk the center line.

Grossman and all USCA .. This thread is about the WUSV qualifier and how the USCA judge low scored all of the GSDCA-WDA participants in protection but gave higher scores than the WDA judge to three of 8 USCA participants in protection.  If my dogs don't suit you or any of your USCA brethren don't buy them.  In fact I would prefer that USCA members shop elsewhere .. maybe in Germany or the Czech Republic for a trained and titled dog to use in the WUSV qualifier.  I can OFA dogs or I can X-ray them and not OFA that is my choice.  If there is a requirement to OFA dogs under any GSD breed club in the United States I am unaware of it.  I have never sold a dog to anyone which has joint problems .. so your implication is without merit or truth (is that what they call a lie?? or just USCA truth??).  If you know anyone who has one of my dogs with joint problems have them speak up.  I just X-rayed 8 14 month olds but I did not OFA them because I don't need the OFA to charge me $300 to read an X-ray .. that is for dopes like Grossman.  As for all the dribble about quivering dogs that is the USCA making a new IPO rule set.  The USCA does not get to write the rules but they have no problem with breaking them and then denying everything .. just the normal USCA way of treating people and doing business.  The USCA creed is "we can break any rule and screw over anyone so long as we win" because we know we are the best and that justifies anything we want to do.

Wow, why does this guy keep coming back to this topic. it's like you wont let it go. It's always the sideline making the most noise. Get over it, the team is set and
not going to change. If you want next year to be different, get involve with your organization and try to affect change in a positive way. Not by blasting another
club. 

You have so many times brought up membership but herte's what i see. No matter how many members are apart of the USCA, we have more clubs, helpers, trial more and
more big events. The WDA does not. stop riding on the coattails of your parent org as that has nothing to do with the WDA. That's like the WNBA saying they have way more
attendance then what really happens because they are a subset of the NBA. 

Stop with all the rhetoric and go do something, Until you compete, no one will take you seriously and calling being out like Wallace Payne who have competed on a national and
world level, leaves you looking the fool. 

Wallace is a national competitor in a sport that 100 out of 100 people chosen at random on the street never heard of .. IPO.  That does not give him or anyone the right to condone or deny unfair conduct toward competitors by his own organization.  Participation in IPO is a almost unknown piece of sport news on the local or national stage just below RollerBall and slightly above MondioRing.  So if anyone needs to get over themselves it is the glorious "IPO national competitors" who buy their dogs overseas and when that dog retires or dies go back and buy another while all the time claiming to be for better breeding of the GSD in the USA.

I know what this topic is about, bubba, but would submit that you don't know enough about what you're looking at to render a valid opinion.

As far as my club affiliation is concerned, it might interest you to know that for many years, I was a member of both organizations, then only the WDA and have only recently rejoined UScA as was required to train with my current club so your argument about my loyalties being with either are as invalid as your view of the scoring at the qualifier.

As it relates to your dogs, I doubt that many members of either UScA or the WDA will be interested in what you're producing but don't try to pretend that you don't know that some of your dogs have issues.  One clearly shows up as having a bad elbow in the OFA database and another shows up as having passing elbows but no hip score...a huge red flag to someone like me for obvious reasons.  None of your breeding stock appear to have any of the normally expected prerequisites to prove breedworthiness...and you talk about Americans not following the rules.