showline bred with workingline - Page 39

Jeff, are you the extra large guy with blond hair or the helper. If the helper, my planned comment was that even the dogs do not like you.

If you are the big guy, I want to apoligize in advance for any offensive comment I might make.

Jeff stop with the "did i scare you?" trust me you scare nobody!! i had over 20 pms saying what a jackass you are!  hey jeff this is for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!   watch this video



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYT89iItQgw

 You are the showline champion I am sure. I notice that 20 gutless wonders were powerful enough to PM LOL

I watched your life story on youtube. What were you hoping for, Pity ? LOL

I can do this all day. 

Well, the topic is not if SL's can work like WL's, but showline bred with workingline. IMPO, both have something to offer and some judicious breeding could produce dogs that are not only able to work but to be v rated. Granted, I also think that sables and black dogs should be allowed to compete in the show ring on an equal footing with the tan & reds on the issues of conformation. The objective could be to develop a new bloodline dog in which certain core qualities and temperament could be consistently replicated several generations later.

Well, the topic is not if SL's can work like WL's, but showline bred with workingline. IMPO, both have something to offer and some judicious breeding could produce dogs that are not only able to work but to be v rated. Granted, I also think that sables and black dogs should be allowed to compete in the show ring on an equal footing with the tan & reds on the issues of conformation. The objective could be to develop a new bloodline dog in which certain core qualities and temperament could be consistently replicated several generations later.

Only, there are few enough workingline breeders that can consistently produce well as it is.  How are the new show/working crossline breeders supposed to be worthy of taking on an even more complicated challenge, more complex than their record of primarily selecting for what's aesthetically pleasing to the eye?  Where do you suppose they're going to eventually start making compromises when they fail to bottle it all in one package?  Compromises will be made where the least profit's to be had.  Basically, SSDDecade.

 Quote: Jeff, are you the extra large guy with blond hair or the helper. If the helper, my planned comment was that even the dogs do not like you.

If you are the big guy, I want to apoligize in advance for any offensive comment I might make.

I am the guy with the blonde hair. However, i don't take this seriously.

I am the guy with the blonde hair. However, i don't take this seriously.

You don't take me serious. Are you serious.

Why breed with showline when workingline bred soley on work produces prettier dogs as a secondary quality. Showlines are fucking ugly and an eyesore, maybe it's because ugliness follows lack of work genetically speaking. Seriously.

Darylehret: I agree that it is a more complex task to control a larger number of genetic variables by breeders in both sectors that have grown lazy and complacent in breeding for a few traits while neglecting the whole dog. I don't see the development of these dogs as a two or three generation process. The deconstruction of the generic GSD did not happen overnight, and neither will the remedy. It would be a great achievement to have the same dog win both the Bundes Sieger Prüfung and the Bundes Sieger Zucht Schau. Part of the problem of the breed is the innability (or unwillingness) of breeders to attempt such ambitious endeavors. AS to which side they wil fall off to, it will depend on the breeder. Serious ones will have a part of their "program" that seeks to push the envelope in creating a more perfect animal. Giving more prominence to the Universal Sieger title could be a first step in creating an incentive for such a dog. JooRyongKim: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder just like uglyness lies in the heart of the beholder. A dog must be able to do some type of work, but as far as looks are concerned, balance and the breed standard are the key. BTW, some of our WL experts can list for you WL dogs that are/were, shall we say, less than aesthetically pleasing, but could work like fiends and are in many WL pedigrees. So, looks and ability to work are two separate traits. BTW, I don't think that WL's are ugly, the SV system pushed aside all but tan & blacks back in the late 1960's. IMPO, there are many WL dogs that, but for their color, could compete very well in SL shows. My favorite SL/WL bloodline dog, Frei von der Gugge is frequently found in both show and working lines. Go figure it out.