A1, A2, KKl1, KKl2 new rules - Page 4

I feel sure that for the people that come here to the PDB for help and general information it must be of greater concern that very little of what they are seeking comes from the more experienced people in this community. I have already mentioned on this thread that I am disappointed in the absence of comment on the topic under discussion here. If so many consider themselves to be knowledgeable in the breed and the workings of the SV I would have thought they would have worthwhile information at this point in the discussion to clarify the situation. Just quoting known facts, however interesting and useful as that may be, or, being critical of the less knowledgeable readers to my mind is coming up short. I hope that the more knowledgeable people will come forward and advance positive information and opinion in relation to the topic of this thread.

Mackenzie

 

I read and understood the first post on this thread and the ASSERTIONS made on a later post and and.

Slipping and sliding is a technique employed by those who wish to rewrite history in order to place thenselves in a more correct position. In other words bullshit.

Now understand why the more experienced and knowledgeable avoid commenting on PDB. Or do as expected at this point go immmediately into denial.

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I disagree with David when in an earlier post he says “The possible achievement of a Korung without the current requirement of first obtaining the full set of an AD, BH and full Schutzhund qualification, but maybe some single test which combines all the key aspects of these tests into a pretest for a Korung. Schutzhund, IPO etc would obviously still be available and I personally believe this is definitely the way to go forward“. The AD (Ausdauer) and BH (Begleidhund) tests form the fundamental basis for the dogs before allowing them to progress to SchH1. The tests ensure that the dogs are fit and have learning power, including mental stability, to undertake the rigours of the SchH examination which includes the dangerous exercise of biting with absolute control.  I would like to say at this point that not every dog is suitable to undertake the biting exercise. To water these down into a pre Koerung test is just a charter for the breeders who do not bother to train, or, learn how to train their dogs in these disciplines, and therefore, I do not see why the current system should be altered. There is no benefit to the breed.

There are a lot of people who have been around for many years and, therefore, some are deemed to be experienced and knowledgeable by longevity. However, slipping and sliding, as David puts it, is a technique employed by some as a technique to avoid revealing how little they really know. For example, there are many breeders of long standing who have never trained a dog to do anything more than run around in a circle. This puts a different perspective on why some of the more experienced and knowledgeable avoid commenting on the PDB.

I am sorry but I seemed to have drifted away from the theme of this thread. The question raised by the original poster appears to be still unanswered.

Mackenzie

 

Although I gave up my membership of the SV last year I have been able to make enquiries about this topic. The situation as I understand it is as follows

  1. HD/ED there are no changes and the procedure will be as before

  2. The Koerung. This has changes and there will now be no Koerklasse 1 or 2 but just one Koerklasse.

  3. The rules for protection work will be stronger and similar to the BSZS

  4. The “fuss” (heel work) will be over a definite distance. If they fail to do this after three attempts they will fail the Koerung. If the dog fails it will be given two more attempts in one year at a later koerung.

  5. TSB. Pronounced or sufficient and the dogs will be allowed three commands of “out”. If the do not come out then they will fail the Koerung and be classified as "Abbruch wegen Ungehorsam" which means finished by disobedience.

I hope that this is helpful.

Mackenzie 

Thank you Mackenzie for clarification. I am relieved the 3 classification system will not be changed.

Thank you, the information from Mackenzie is how I understand the position is for the future. For the first time we have the full changes discussed on this thread, and as mentioned in an early post this information without any guesswork is what we required. Too much speculation and personal agenda is the reason for people leaveing the PDB. The posible changes mentioned regarding Hips which would  have affected the ZW system was just one of the post that caused some debate and was never going happen.

Thank you Mackenzie, I will refrain from further comment on this. 

Please feel free to comment on the topic David.  Positive input is welcome and needed to maintain a healthy discussion on this and any other thread.

Mackenzie