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by zdog on 27 December 2012 - 17:12
People should just judge the dogs in front of them, those are probably the most important part of the equation. I don't care if someone inserted the name of a fake dog 25 years ago, or 6 months ago in the pedigree. If the the quality of dog is there, does it really matter?
by Slamdunc on 27 December 2012 - 17:12
Well, it might matter if you bought a dog that you thought was from a certain line or a certain breeding especially if you paid a lot of money for the dog.
by Keith Grossman on 27 December 2012 - 18:12
"So aaykay, where did you get your knowledge from?"
Crickets...
Crickets...
by zdog on 27 December 2012 - 18:12
Why would someone be mad if they spend 5K on a dog that had a "fake" dog in it's pedigree 20 years ago and yet this dog comes from a line of working dogs and is an impressive working dog itself that they're very happy with?
I'd be more pissed if I spent a lot of money on a dog with a "real" pedigree and turned out be be crap than I would about anything else. I judge the dog in front of me, much more important. If you're buying a dog because it has "insert famous dog here" in its pedigree instead of on the dog itself or the actual progeny on the ground, then you get what you deserve. If the dog is what I want or has been producing what I want, I'll plunk down the cash regardless of the legitimacy of the pedigree.
I'd be more pissed if I spent a lot of money on a dog with a "real" pedigree and turned out be be crap than I would about anything else. I judge the dog in front of me, much more important. If you're buying a dog because it has "insert famous dog here" in its pedigree instead of on the dog itself or the actual progeny on the ground, then you get what you deserve. If the dog is what I want or has been producing what I want, I'll plunk down the cash regardless of the legitimacy of the pedigree.
by Slamdunc on 27 December 2012 - 20:12
Why would someone be mad if they spend 5K on a dog that had a "fake" dog in it's pedigree 20 years ago and yet this dog comes from a line of working dogs and is an impressive working dog itself that they're very happy with?
How would you know what lines the dog comes from if the pedigree is not accurate?
No doubt the dog is important. Some people may buy a dog with the hope of breeding or using it as a stud. They may research the pedigree and decide that those lines fit in well with their breeding program. Also, some dogs are known for producing certain traits that may be desirable or faulty depending on the pairing. I can certainly understand some one being upset by not getting what they were sold. If I was buying a Pontiac Firebird and found out that someone had put a Chevy Camaro engine in it I might be upset, regardless how well the car drove. For some one into genetics and bloodlines it might make a very big difference, especially if it significantly raised the price of the dog.
by zdog on 27 December 2012 - 20:12
if someone is buying a dog based on the pedigree of a dog that was faked 20+ years ago, they deserve what they get. If they're buying the dog based on everything since and progeny and parents and everything else that has happened since, then what's the big deal? The wall came down a long time ago. I don't care what was faked then, it makes very little difference other than what's in someone's mind. I guess perception is reality, so I concede, it's a very big deal.
by Slamdunc on 27 December 2012 - 21:12
That's funny, I understand what you are saying and where your coming from. I agree with you regarding the dog, and 20 years ago doesn't really affect the pedigree that much now. But, you know how some people are....It's the name of the great great grand sire that makes all the difference. I suppose I was thinking of recent history and not so far back. I really don't think it's that much of a problem or that wide spread. I'm not trying to argue with you; I was just offering an alternative perspective that some might have. Thanks for the laugh. 
by Keith Grossman on 27 December 2012 - 23:12
" I agree with you regarding the dog, and 20 years ago doesn't really affect the pedigree that much now."
This is a salient point, Jim. The wall came down more than 20 years (many dog generations) ago so whether or not any specific dog that appears in a pedigree that far back or whether those dogs had the hip scores claimed is somewhat irrelevant now. As is true with all other bloodlines, I've seen so-called Czech dogs that I like and some that I don't. It is now really nothing more than a marketing tool.
This is a salient point, Jim. The wall came down more than 20 years (many dog generations) ago so whether or not any specific dog that appears in a pedigree that far back or whether those dogs had the hip scores claimed is somewhat irrelevant now. As is true with all other bloodlines, I've seen so-called Czech dogs that I like and some that I don't. It is now really nothing more than a marketing tool.
by guddu on 28 December 2012 - 00:12
A somewhat related question. There were a lot of wolf-gsd breedings in the old czech+slovakia. Since the East bloc maintained good records, I wonder if the records of those breedings/puppies are still available anywhere. What happened to those pups. They must have produced a ton of those...were they simply culled ?
by aaykay on 28 December 2012 - 04:12
There were a lot of wolf-gsd breedings in the old czech+slovakia.
The progeny of those experimental GSD-wolf breedings (done in 1955) have been formed into a separate dog-breed called the Czechoslovakian wolfdog or the Czechoslovakian Vlčák.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog
The progeny of those experimental GSD-wolf breedings (done in 1955) have been formed into a separate dog-breed called the Czechoslovakian wolfdog or the Czechoslovakian Vlčák.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog
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