“OUR BREEDS FUTURE IN OUR HANDS” (UK) article now on website - Page 6

David , Absolutely!! I couldnt have put it better myself .
Regards
Sue

Hello Sue

Thanks for your contribution here.  I agree with much of what you say and when it comes to  workability I think that perhaps some people may think that I am in favour of only the Sport dog.  What I am in favour of is a working dog that will do his assigned job in what ever capacity that is in a correct and competent manner and respond to his handlers commands when given.  I am definately not in favour of the over hypo high drive sport dogs.  For the biting exercise I want the dog to be confident and competent in his work, to take a firm full mouth bite and stay in until he get the command to come out.  I do not want a fear biter, or, an over aggressive biter.  Unfortunately, we see many dogs from  all  breeding families at the Sieger Show that bite then come off and bite again and again or nibble at the sleeve.  For the situation that you have quoted regarding Zamp and Vegas the numbers of 36 and 29 animals presented are only a very small  number of progeny from the total number produced by these two males.  The number of progeny for each dog must be in four figures therefore the numbers that you quote represents some 2% or less approximately from  each dog of the total of their progeny.
As I explained in an earlier post I have seen quite a few animals by Zamp and, when I lived in Spain, I helped with the training of a few of them.  I found that all of them all had a good pet character but there was a reluctance to work in even the basic excercises.  My friend there, an experienced trainer started his dog at 10 months for the BH but did not get a pass until the dog was 19 months old.  His experience was the same as mine.

Hello Kerry
The only reason that I quoted Zony was that when I was looking through the Sieger results and pictures I saw him and, I thought that he was overall a good type and, when I looked at his breeding I thought that with a female to  complement him he might be a good outcross.

Hello David

Nice to see that you have joined in this discussion albeit slightly off topic.  It clearly does not apply to me because if you read anything that I have written you will not find one comment specifically advising anyone as to what they should do, or, not do.  However, your comments are welcome and perhaps you will consider joining this discussion in a positive way and give people the benefit of your experience.

Mackenzie

Here we go again,self aclaimed EXPERTS the double act that is sue b and videx.No one knows anything except these two.
What tickles me is that all this spouting about "dog breeders" or " breeders of dogs " etc etc, yet there main recent sucess comes from dogs other overseas breeders bred-you gotta laugh !

jodie:
it would be interesting to note who the Breed council would direct you to for information on the breed. Still as you say you're an innocent !

The cyber stalker strikes again!! lol Still since it was pointed out to me which camp you swim with it is with pity that I now understand your underhand, backward and cowardly ways. I do not need to promote dogs of my breeding, they consistently go into the ring and speak for themselves as do their characters with people outside the ring. But ne'er mind, cheer up Pencil, one day you might even breed something yourself that people can admire, you never know, then again, perhaps not!!??!!. RAOTFLMHO  
Sue b

"Here we go again,self aclaimed EXPERTS the double act that is sue b and videx.No one knows anything except these two.What tickles me is that all this spouting about "dog breeders" or " breeders of dogs " etc etc, yet there main recent sucess comes from dogs other overseas breeders bred-you gotta laugh !"

I couldnt agree more Pencil, what also makes me laugh is that these two where at loggerheads and certanly didnt have a good word to say to each other on these boards not so long ago. Something to do with an nasty e-mail sent to Sue B from DP if my memory serves me correct.

Pencil , who would the breed council direct one to for information on the breed please ?.

Shernaa,  as some of us on here are still learning can you please give your reasons for not wanting to mix Vegas and Zamp lines ?.   Thank you in advance.