GSD breeder for ring sport? - Page 6

It´s all black and white for you I see, if a dog isn´t lunging himself into the decoy as fast as possible then they are slower than the slowest and defencive, is this your big argument;) Your fast sportdog dog that run to mommy when tested outside his routine isn´t actually so impressive either. Why is the malinois so fast in his attacks if he ain´t have great preydrive and a quick light body, nothing wrong with that as long as he is versatile, meaning can do well also outside sport and not only bitework which is a minor part for many policedogs.

It´s possible it´s training that some mals are very fast to out, but I didn´t say this make them less of a dog, just that it good for points, and so is speed and fast attacks, yet I rather see a dog that has it all, I think it´s more imporant he function in practical work than win competitions.

Apparently Jeff, you haven't read the rules,,or maybe the organization you belong to isn't the USMRA.

http://www.usmondioring.org/Rules%20and%20Policies/DecoyRules.htm 

Check under "Rules During the Work" The Attacks;  "The decoy must never esquive a dog on his entry ".  I guess the term "never" means you get to do what you want.

"ON HIS ENTRY" means what it says.  The rules also state...

 If the dog does not bite on the entry, it is possible to esquive, use a barrage to keep him away, or use opposition to keep him from biting.

If the dog lets go of his prey before the end of the exercise, the decoy should try to keep him from biting (i.e. staying static, esquive) depending on the dog's attitude.

In the face attack with accessories, if the dog bites the accessory for more than 1 second, the decoy must drop the accessory and continue to oppose the dog with esquives and threats.  If the dog rebites, the decoy can pick up the accessory and use it for the remainder of the time left that is left for the attack.

The decoy will make 3 attempts to escape.  These will be done at his discretion in accordance with the vigilance of the dog.  During the attempts, he will try to gain meters on the dog before he is bitten (using esquives for example)

When you get to the 2 meter circle, the decoy will do everything that he can to remove the object (menacing, intimidations, esquives, etc..)

Or, maybe, I actually compete in sport. If the dog hesitates to bite on entry, the decoy can esquive the dog. Or, you can go and look at some video of Buko's face attack with accessories where he is esquived, and Mongoose, who was esquived as well, at the 2011 Nationals.  While it is illegal, the judge allowed it on both occasions, and that is pretty much that. 

The decoy is allowed to esquive the dog in the object guard, and on the escort. Look at the rules in Mondio and you will see that they are sorta grey around the edges. I read exactly what you have read, but that apparently doesn't mean it is true. You also lose 3 points per second, and the penalty is called "slow to bite". Thats nice. Illegal move, and you get hammered for it. At Buko's trail for ring two, the decoy thought that he could pull the barrage back towards his body, and Buko bit the baton, bounced off his chest, and was hammered for 6 points, a second bite, and since the decoy held on to the baton, he had a nice bone deep gash on his chin, and a bloody tongue. He didn't care, but geez, right in the rules it states......... <shrug>

Quote: Your fast sportdog dog that run to mommy when tested outside his routine isn´t actually so impressive either.

I tell you what. You bring your slow clunky defense driven dog on over, and I will let you catch my dogs outside their routine. Just remember, you cannot run to mommy when my dogs pound your ass into the sand. Then I will show you what an old fat kid can do to a clunky slow defense driven dog. You might want to put a helmet on him, as I have a lot of trees, and am competitive enough to hurt him to prove a point. 

Quote: Why is the malinois so fast in his attacks if he ain´t have great preydrive and a quick light body,

Buko weighs in about 75 when he is skinny, and about 85 when he looks like a normal dog. I have seen NVBK dogs that would break someone's leg they are so fast, and they are probably closer to 90. So, where are all these light dogs again ? Need to do your homework on the Mals.

Sorry, no Mondio

johann

I agree that many breeders do not use dogs who just can pass a schh 3 test, but they often use them that get good points for both BSP and WUSV and I certainly do not think that because you have won the WUSV or lying on top of BSP that the dog is good, no no breeders breeds now more about the dogs that have good points, than rather than the true

by myret on 21 July 2011 - 08:07

working abilitys of a dog, a high mark says nothing in schh if the dog is good or average,Many breeders use the dogs with high mark in both BSP or WUSV but many of these dogs are only there because of there skilled handler not because the dog is special, so what are the breeders breeding today a dog with high marks or is it the handler that is skilled not the dog, many of the dogs with high marks are average nothing I would breed unless he has naturel high drive if I where a breeder.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=517163 

take a look this dog a policedog and he was a schh competitor got alot of breedings nothing special about him he os an average dog dont understand why people breed him he is a good dog but nothing above average in drive