The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 6

Fact of the matter is - WDA is localized in the North - if you in the South - there just isn't alot of opportunity for you to trial your dog if you are WDA..........


Wallace;  Metro is very active - but ya'll only have so many trials - non usa  as you know- DVG   is recognized by USA - but for those that aren't as capable as those as metro - need a little more events to choose from to title our dogs...............WDA and DVG are far between in the south...........This is why CASC decided to go back to USA back in 2010.........Metro is made up of World competitors - most of us are not at that level - we just want to title our dogs when the are ready and if WDA doesn't have anything to offer then why bother...............  USA events are just about every month of the year     if you look at the WDA or even DVG - from Alabama  there just isn't any offerings close enough other than Metro................  world competitors such as you and alot at your club it doesn't matter much - but for those of us that are ametuers- need more diversity with out the LAUGHTER........    

Fact is WDA never did help clubs in this area -  didnt with CASC -  they didnt even care when we resigned from WDA and went back to USA - we were the only club in Alabama to represent WDA in 2010  - they didnt even know we left and went back to USA - - how can they have club events for future for the clubs they have established if they dont even help new clubs?    There is no benefit to be with WDA - cant title your dogs at other club events because they dont have other club trials - dont have alot of trials in your immediate area - and you have to put on your own trial regularly to get your dog titled based on locality..............For clubs that aren't established as yours - it isnt cost effective.... 

Let's face it USA has more to offer than WDA and only world competitors can benefit from less.......But didnt I hear that you resigned from WDA and only have a DVG membership?  Only metro as a club has the WDA logo attached to its skirts...............correct me if I am wrong - just heard that thru the grape vine.

Yogie

Yogie,
  I am a GSDCA-WDA/DVG member!  Don't forget I competed at last years qualification trial, South Metro Atlanta Schutzhund Club is a GSDCA-WDA/DVG member as well.  We do have some members that's UScA members too.  You are correct that WDA should provide more trials for is members, I addressed that in my earlier post.   You are incorrect about the south. The South has a lot of WDA clubs but here again it's not mandatory for them to put on trials so it appears there is not many clubs in the south.  These clubs are clubs in name only!

Wallace Payne

P.S.  Oh by the way, WHAT THE HELL IS THE DEADSKINS GOING TO DO NOW!  THEY ARE DONE FOR!!  GO COWBOYS!

Wallace same can be said about DVG in terms of mandatory trials. Now alot of clubs simply have a hard time hosting a trial yearly due to finances but an every two year requirement should be doable regardless of organization. The non requirement for yearly events is both a curse and a blessing.

Biggest issue with DVG clubs is the 7 full member requirement.  I've been trying for years to get something going in my area on a consistant basis so I'm not required to drive at least 6 hours r/t to train somewhere but for the most part I've been unsuccessful. 


Keith Jenkins

Here we have a few exampls of why it's a good idea for organizations to be able to use the services of others. If not there's not as much participation. The clubs can't afford to put on an event. When there's not enough events, what happens? Pepole go away. Who suffers? Anyone wanting to make the GSD a hobby. The GSD community doesn't grow or stay healthy where it is.

A few years ago there were enough events on the East Coast to be able to go to something a couple times a month. Now in the same area, there are 4 events between the two organizations scheduled for next year.  I continue to see GSD people leaving the community.

Why? I contribute much of it to the animosity within the community sparked by situation such as this scorebook issue we are discussing here. This is a scorebook. It's not a world altering secret document. Yet the way this process has been handled is and continues to be one of the best examples of how bad information leads to more bad information, which leads to people writing things, that leads to bitter feelings and there you have it. The animosity that exists in the GSD community we really don't need.

The problem as I see it and what's motivating me to be involved is not really whether the WDA scorebook is really a GSDCA scorebook that gets recognized (that would be a good thing) But we really need to get this issue sorted out and stop the damage it's doing to the perception of the GSD community.

Having said all that..............

I have been in touch with all three organizations. I thank all three for their responses and information and hope we can resolve this soon.

Here's where we appear to be at this point. This scorebook was originally changed from a WDA scorebook to a scorebook which included GSDCA logo inclusion. At the time the GSDCA had not approved, endorsed, or recognized the book. The book was sent by a few to USCA with the insistance that it be accepted sine it possessed the GSDCA logo which was a WUSV affiliate. USCA considered it. It wasn't available on the GSDCA website. You could only buy it through the GSDCA-WDA by fillling out an order form for a GSDCA-WDA scorebook and sending it to the GSDCA-WDA. USCA did and continues to feel it's not a GSDCA scorebook and I think if you look at the situation objectively, you have to agree.

Meanwhile we have WDA Board members posting numerous times they have a scorebook that USCA accepts.

Who's right and where do we stand?

They both are right to a degree.

It appears the GSDCA has approved the scorebook in some form. The WDA has the books and are selling them to members and the GSD community. USCA has not been informed of the details surrounding the books. That's where we are. The WDA made them, is selling them, but hasn't put the information together to consult USCA with what they have done.

As of right now. Don't expect your WDA issued scorebook to be used at a USCA event.
 
More later.

Keith,
 You have a point!  But tell me this,  what good is a club if they don't provide trials for their organizations?   Why would any private training group join or become a WDA or UScA club if they not want to do trials?  What do a training group gain from being a member of WDA or UScA and not do trials?   I think if you (And I mean you generally) can't afford to do a trial then don't become a club!   I don't agree with having trials every two years, it should be every year with a bye if your regional director deem so.

As far as the score book is concern,  I hope UScA stand firm!  Then maybe WDA will do what's need to be done to make WDA stronger and maybe the WUSV will step in and say who's right and who's wrong.  I truly don't believe either one will happen.

Wallace I do agree if a training group decides to affliate with any organization one would think that the ability to host trials is the driving force behind that decision and by all means they should adhere to the rules of the organization otherwise they shouldn't do so in the first place. That said there are many smaller clubs that struggle year in and year out to meet yearly obligations of a trial that at one point in time did not have the same difficulties in the past as they face today and my suggestion of every two years was compromise to a yearly trial versus a whenever the mood strikes mentality. 

I'm not a very big fan of any type of waivers and particularly so within dog sports due to the seemingly inability to apply anything equally. We all know many times it can boil down to who's who or who knows who.


Keith

I think any club that becomes involved with a national organization should host club events at least once a year.....Trials are alot of work - but the name of the game is trialing our dogs for the training that we do.........I would prefer trialing on the home field.  They aren't that much work - you get enough involved - they pay for themselves.

I personally think that WDA just picked up schutzhund as a "bi product" of the GSD world - that is why they don't require more schutzhund trials etc- or even expect anything from the clubs that they show on their website as "clubs".  

USA requires a trial a year or at least a helper seminar..........something anyway.............If  WDA had wanted to pursue that venue - they would put more work into it to build this.  But instead - they put out bogus scorebooks to prey on the USA trials..............  and we have these conversations because WDA simple doesn't give a crap about building the schutzhund part of it's organization...........they just want to ride the skirt tails of USA for it's members.

Of course this is my opinion - I can be a USA member and not have this crap to worry about with WDA.......... I don't have to worry my score book wont be accepted- nor do I have to worry finding a club to trial at.........it isn't rocket science.   I feel USA cares a little more than WDA when it comes to schutzhund - as well as they care more about their club affliations...........Like I said in my past post - WDA didnt even know my club left them.......No help with the trial we put on in their name nor did they notice we weren't around...........

Obviously, I don't think much of WDA.

Yogie

IF and I sat IF

Shutzhund was a mainstream sport in America(like agility, rally etc) , I would completely understand the pissing match between the different clubs.......

BUT it is not, and in many areas there is great atrophy to the point of extinction..........

For the dogs' sake we need to all support the sport.......

Sita;  in my world Rally, agility, etc isnt mainsteam - it isnt in any roads I travel.........Schutzund is the mainstream.   In this sport there seems to always be a pissing match.....You just pick a side that best suites your needs and run with it..........  All the rest you dont even think about when you are out there on the field with your dog...............Trying to pick to many affliations will run a person thin.....If you try to bake a cake you dont use but one receipe - same goes with picking your side.

Yogie

Wallace waiting for this current WDA administration to do what's right to make the organization stronger is the same wishful thinking that the Cowboys are going anywhere with Romo at the helm, Redskins dominated Giants and Eagles and spanked the Cowboys good. SitasMom is correct nothing good can happen as a result of the fighting between the organizations, WUSV is not going to change a thing. This sport could easily be banned it would only take a grand standing politician and a media hungry to make a story vilify us to a point where no one would dare defend us, it is better to be united now.