Pituitary Dwarfism page on Jacquenetta website - Page 7

Correct Missbeeb, re your comment above about Hutch not been slaughtered by the other breeder posters here. Must also add though that she wasn't slaughtered either by Abby because she didn't bother to disagree with some things in the posts that Abby had made, albeit that Hutch believes carrier dogs should be withdrawn, she obviously thinks it OK to breed from carrier bitches and if thats what she thinks then thats her prerogative.
 
On the other hand I don't believe anything should necessarily be withdrawn, just as long as carrier isn't mated to carrier and as of yet I don't have ANY carriers (Missbeeb will soon be testing the only stud dog I have anything to do with), then ABBY for your information I don't have anything too consider withdrawing.

As for the comment methinks the lady doth protest too much, well everything I do is OUT IN THE OPEN ABBY, can the same be said of you? Years ago I produced an dog with PI, he was a champ show winner but did I try to make a secret of it by sweeping it under the carpet, NO  I DID NOT. I alerted the whole of the Shepherd world to it. Credit to the owners of the stud dog they then withdrew him from stud once found that he had produced others and although this was her first litter, I never bred from the dam again, though we kept her with us all her life where at 14yrs of age she was given sleep having never suffered from any illness the whole of her life except in the end that of old age. 

I don't hide anything, our prefix is on everything we breed,  I put my animals in the ring to be judged, not just in the UK but on the continent, I hip and elbow score, I DNA test and only breed from animals which have passed a Breed Survey, be that be a German Koerung or British BC Survey.   I come on this website in MY OWN NAME with my own opinions and therefore with proof to back up everything I say and do. So what about you ABBY????  Can you say the same??? Where are your credentials?? Don't have any to speak of?? NO!! Didn't think so!!

Sue B

PS - As for myself not speaking with geneticist knowledge, have spoken to Dr M.Willis MBE about such things, he';s a Yorkshire Man you know just like me. Forthright and honest. Calls a spade a spade and don't take BS from anybody. He is proud of me and what I have achieved over the years and if you don't believe me ask his wife Helen. He has always detested Witch Hunts and has never had much time for Witch Hunters, I tend to agree wholeheartedly with his sentiments.

The only constant nastiness employed here is on your persistant breeder bashing, except for those of course who are only too happy to stroke your forlock. So, once you have managed to convince all the reputable breeders to walk away from the breed because they have had enough of the likes of people like you, I suppose the general public will be left with those breeders who, "Frankly my dear dont give a damn",  and that Abby will be all down to people like you. So have you done anything else today to make you feel proud???

As for the questions I ask you about your credentials, notice you still cant provide any, except to say you were involved with a Border Collie litter who were all health tested and in the absence of any breeder name and/or affix I suppose we just have to take your word for it do we? Yeh thought so.

We take care with our breeding, for not only do we love the breed passionately, we only ever breed when we want something ourselves, It is now 18mths since I bred my last litter, it was a litter of 3 pups and Missbeeb has the only male from the litter, hip total 7 and 0 elbows, Heamo clear. The GSD world knows what we produced in our previous litter.

So waiting for your credentials now Abby, any forthcoming that you can prove.? And you wonder why reputable breeders get sick of reading your crap!!!  The one thing you need to learn about me Abby is that I say it as I see it, I dont lick arse in hope to seek praise and I dont speak with forked tongue.

Regards
Sue B

Hi Babs heres the info for you:
www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/gene_tests/gene_tests/anal_furunculosis-dla_risk_gen/

www.genoscoper.com/in_english2/sampling_and_payment_information/

I dont believe that every breeding animal needs to be tested but those from suspect lines do.

Re the dwarfism test, again those from suspect lines especialy if several producers are in the pedigree, there is no need to eliminate carriers at this stage, we first need to know the extent of the problem, as I pointed out to one of the people that have tested when she was worried the bitch might come back a carrier I told her if she was keeping a pup for breeding to test that and then either choose a dog tested clear or one known not to have produced, I also told her to speak to David, which I believe she did.


One point though I would like to make is that DNA on a mitochondrial level rarely comes from the parternal side, it is well over 90% from the maternal line, and I am not sure with this test it is at that level or not.

Hi Pam, thanks for that.  AF is a horrid condition.
 
I will have Jimmy tested, (PD) as there is a known "line" on the 5th generation of his pedigree.  Nice to see you post again btw!
 
Babs

Just to clarify my opinion on stud dogs tested as carriers - copied from page 2

I know that many stud dog owners feel that a carrier test means withdrawal from stud but I tend to feel that if a particular stud dog has a lot of very positive attributes to pass on then maybe it is OK to allow him to be used on clear females only.

Just as I believe it is OK to breed from a carrier bitch but would look to find a suitable clear male.

I am not advocating withdrawing all carriers from the gene pool.

my how this thread has degenerated.please ppl.dont get your backs up.no one is saying that carriers should be withdrawn from the gene pool at the moment.All that is being said is that animals should be tested to ascertain clear or carrier status and then one knows how to proceed with breeding said male/female.i myself will be looking to buy a female pup in the next year or so.i would hope that many of the ppl i know and respect ,may have wot i,m looking for from parents that have been health tested for hips/elbows/pd,maybe af and sire haemo.tested.Isnt this wot we maligned the KC FOR,not making it mandatory for testing for herditary diseases.here we have a test for Pituary Dwarfism and a site were the results are being put,just like the list for hip score of stud dog progeny which used to appear in the national,and here we go again with some getting a bee in their bonnets and getting personal.i,m in complete agreement with Abbynormal on this.no doubt i,m gonna get shot down for this too.Sue,a quick question for yu....how do yu know yu have no carriers?i could i suppose make that statement.i had my first litter in jan.1989,all my stock descends from this bitch,i have had no dwarfs,no still born pups or fading pups.Does this mean that none of my breeding males/females were not carriers?????????????As far as i know ,no one else who has bred from males/females/their descendants,from my line hasnt either.Are we just the lucky ones?????Carole S.

Hi Babs I have been around but posted on general
The above pales compared to what I have been informed this week:
6 month white pup dead - heart defects
4 1/2 year white - epilepsy
12 month blue - epilepsy
Longcoat sable severe hd
Then you have breeders using dogs/bitches with scores in the 60s & 70s, breeding from known epilepsy producers, breeding from bitch with CDA (although coloured breeders deny it exist)

All for what? to produce non standard colours