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by steve1 on 27 April 2011 - 06:04
Sibersee
Elute is much sought after over here as is Javier, not biased because i have his daughter.
In Belgium the Tom Line is possibly the main one at the moment, probably a little young in time yet to really say but dogs like Ares, Bomber and his father plus many others coming down from Tom, Of course there are many great up and coming dogs but i guess we all have a slight preference for one
Steve1
Elute is much sought after over here as is Javier, not biased because i have his daughter.
In Belgium the Tom Line is possibly the main one at the moment, probably a little young in time yet to really say but dogs like Ares, Bomber and his father plus many others coming down from Tom, Of course there are many great up and coming dogs but i guess we all have a slight preference for one
Steve1
by Jyl on 27 April 2011 - 08:04
This is a very interesting and informative thread... thanks YogiBear for starting this.
I like Javir and JimBean also. Another dog I like is Wotan vom Barenfang. A female that i like to see in a pedigree is Haska von Karthago. I like so far most of what she has produced.
I like Javir and JimBean also. Another dog I like is Wotan vom Barenfang. A female that i like to see in a pedigree is Haska von Karthago. I like so far most of what she has produced.
by Tarakiwa on 27 April 2011 - 09:04
Caro van Brandevoort (KNPV) is a dog that impresses me greatly. He was the only GSD in the KNPV Champion of Champions and he ticks all the boxes!! He has been having 100% in his PH1 tests and will be going for his PH1 now in June…so if he gets 100% it would be amazing. He just got his UV (20k) and is also going for his Kkl-1…..he is a dog for the future for sure.
His father is one of the best stud dogs in Europe, Jucan von Peroh SchH3 (BSP) and his mother is Ouchie van der Schiffslache KNPV Ph1 & Ph2 who is from another top well known stud Tyson von der Schiffslache SchH3 (3xBSP) and Yoschy von der Dollenwiese (BSP & V-LGA) SCHH3.
My bitch Bartje van Brandevoort (KNPV PH1 421) should also be mated to him in June – she also comes from some amazing dogs and bitches. Bartje’s mother is Gipsy von der Schiffslache (KNPV Ph1 met lof). Gipsy was a hard bitch, and in her first national PH1 trial she gained 440 (max points). Gipsy is bred over the hard Crok Erlenbush SchH3, FH - Yesko von Karthago SchH3, Ipo3, FH and Yoschy Doellenwiese SchH3 (line breeding 4-4) lines.
Bartje’s father was at one time known as the best German shepherd within the KNPV: Ibor von Blitse Dune KNPV Ph1/Ph2 Obj 354.
Other dogs which impress me:
V Lubeck von der Mahler-Meister(KNPV Ph 1 432 met lof Kkl 1)
Leon von der Staatsmacht (SchH3, Kkl 1)
Basco Teufelskehle (Sch3 Kkl2) The best son of BSP Tyson Schiffslache!!!! Both Tyson and Basco were owned by the world renowned trainer Jorg Sauer.
Energy, intensity, dominance and size.
But even though people mention great studs, we should be looking at great bitches ! People should know what bitches has influenced the GSD in the last 20 years…
V Gitta vom Haus Valkenplatz VH3
Xhantippe van Blommerschot VH 3, KNPV PH 1 met Lof
Tess vom Haus Valkenplatz Kkl 2 VH 3, SpH 2, KNPV PH 1
Great thread
His father is one of the best stud dogs in Europe, Jucan von Peroh SchH3 (BSP) and his mother is Ouchie van der Schiffslache KNPV Ph1 & Ph2 who is from another top well known stud Tyson von der Schiffslache SchH3 (3xBSP) and Yoschy von der Dollenwiese (BSP & V-LGA) SCHH3.
My bitch Bartje van Brandevoort (KNPV PH1 421) should also be mated to him in June – she also comes from some amazing dogs and bitches. Bartje’s mother is Gipsy von der Schiffslache (KNPV Ph1 met lof). Gipsy was a hard bitch, and in her first national PH1 trial she gained 440 (max points). Gipsy is bred over the hard Crok Erlenbush SchH3, FH - Yesko von Karthago SchH3, Ipo3, FH and Yoschy Doellenwiese SchH3 (line breeding 4-4) lines.
Bartje’s father was at one time known as the best German shepherd within the KNPV: Ibor von Blitse Dune KNPV Ph1/Ph2 Obj 354.
Other dogs which impress me:
V Lubeck von der Mahler-Meister(KNPV Ph 1 432 met lof Kkl 1)
Leon von der Staatsmacht (SchH3, Kkl 1)
Basco Teufelskehle (Sch3 Kkl2) The best son of BSP Tyson Schiffslache!!!! Both Tyson and Basco were owned by the world renowned trainer Jorg Sauer.
Energy, intensity, dominance and size.
But even though people mention great studs, we should be looking at great bitches ! People should know what bitches has influenced the GSD in the last 20 years…
V Gitta vom Haus Valkenplatz VH3
Xhantippe van Blommerschot VH 3, KNPV PH 1 met Lof
Tess vom Haus Valkenplatz Kkl 2 VH 3, SpH 2, KNPV PH 1
Great thread
by Tarakiwa on 28 April 2011 - 09:04
Other bitches that have done their bit for the GSD and the Sch sport.
V Deika von den Wannaer Höhen SchH3 (SG-BSP) Kkl 2….she has produced 83 progeny…she also produced SG Wespe von den Wannaer Höhen SchH3 Kkl 1, she produced 53 progeny. Both have produced a huge number of BSP dogs and bitches reaching high performance’s for the sport in general.
V Deika von den Wannaer Höhen SchH3 (SG-BSP) Kkl 2….she has produced 83 progeny…she also produced SG Wespe von den Wannaer Höhen SchH3 Kkl 1, she produced 53 progeny. Both have produced a huge number of BSP dogs and bitches reaching high performance’s for the sport in general.
by YogieBear on 28 April 2011 - 10:04
Tarakiwa - you do bring up a interesting point. Everyone says that a great female is worth more than her weight in gold.... It would be interesting to see who people thought we would be talking about in twenty years that is female. All we have discussed are the males...............
YogieBear
YogieBear
by alkster2002 on 28 April 2011 - 11:04
GSDPACK ...... which Dargo are you talking about give the rest of the name ......... Regards ..................... Greg
by Bancroft on 28 April 2011 - 12:04
Tom - legend
Caro - nice sports dog, a bit small
Juncan - nice defense, I like him
Como - unlikely to produce hard dogs in my opinion, high drives are his strength
Basco - one big tough mother with a hard bite
Ellute - middle of the road
Javir - easily fustrated, can be mistaken for aggression, nevertheless I like him
Belschik line - aggression
Zasko Prielberg - great producer
Leon Staamachst - nice sports dog
Nick/Yoschy - a crowd pleaser
Caro - nice sports dog, a bit small
Juncan - nice defense, I like him
Como - unlikely to produce hard dogs in my opinion, high drives are his strength
Basco - one big tough mother with a hard bite
Ellute - middle of the road
Javir - easily fustrated, can be mistaken for aggression, nevertheless I like him
Belschik line - aggression
Zasko Prielberg - great producer
Leon Staamachst - nice sports dog
Nick/Yoschy - a crowd pleaser
by steve1 on 28 April 2011 - 12:04
Bancroft
Have you seen any children of Como working at all to put the statement you have on here and remember they are very young dogs at best i do not think he has any children at two years old yet, well a few will be two years old next month.
This i would be interesting to know what you have seen and how many of his children working,
In fact have you seen Como working in real life
As for Ellute a great many of his progeny are working at National and world standard. certainly over here in Europe where the dog was born, I guess you will be able to back your statements with visual facts
Steve1
Have you seen any children of Como working at all to put the statement you have on here and remember they are very young dogs at best i do not think he has any children at two years old yet, well a few will be two years old next month.
This i would be interesting to know what you have seen and how many of his children working,
In fact have you seen Como working in real life
As for Ellute a great many of his progeny are working at National and world standard. certainly over here in Europe where the dog was born, I guess you will be able to back your statements with visual facts
Steve1
by Bancroft on 28 April 2011 - 13:04
Don't get your knickers in a twist my friend. Just my observations. You are free to ignore them.
by steve1 on 28 April 2011 - 14:04
Bancroft
So because someone asks you a straight forward question you get all defensive and shirty. Nothing twisted with me, but when i read statements like yours i wonder how you came to your conclusions on the two Dogs that is why i asked you,
Well you cannot answer me that is proven, but having seen 4 children of Como working this last few weeks i can tell you that in time you will be made out to be wrong in your judgment of the Dog, but time well tell,
Regards Ellute i see Children working from him during the year and for several years, again your assumption is way off the mark, he will leave his imprint on the breed in the years to come of that i am sure.
Javir your thoughts are not in line with what i have seen and been told. the other dogs you have picked out i do not know about.
However each to his own thoughts but mine is made on visual not hypothetical statements
Have a good Day
Steve1
So because someone asks you a straight forward question you get all defensive and shirty. Nothing twisted with me, but when i read statements like yours i wonder how you came to your conclusions on the two Dogs that is why i asked you,
Well you cannot answer me that is proven, but having seen 4 children of Como working this last few weeks i can tell you that in time you will be made out to be wrong in your judgment of the Dog, but time well tell,
Regards Ellute i see Children working from him during the year and for several years, again your assumption is way off the mark, he will leave his imprint on the breed in the years to come of that i am sure.
Javir your thoughts are not in line with what i have seen and been told. the other dogs you have picked out i do not know about.
However each to his own thoughts but mine is made on visual not hypothetical statements
Have a good Day
Steve1
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