Eastern European lines German Shepherds - Page 8

well sch doesnt is only for a sport. it isnt for real life. The GSd should be unwavering in the event of any threat. Animal or man. SCH doesnt equal properly trained for real life situations in my book. but thats a whole nother discussion i will refrain from. as its a bitter topic for sch lovers. but My pack is meant to deter any foe human or animal from my property and home.
I personally never wish them to have to fight any foe but if the time comes i exspect them too til the end  as thats there purpose. Seems once people know you have real dogs thats enough of a deterrant. 

As jackel and i said the likely hood of coming across a lone wolf is almost zero. 

  

My question was not being answerd!!!

I will be moving in the area where I would need better protection from GSD. If ever a wolf got in the fight with a GSD, who will stand a chance for survival before I run with gun and scare a wolf away!

i did above. the one with mentality to protect. not some sch dog or oversized dog. the dog that has real fight and protective instinct.

2 jackel and I have said already you are most liekly not gonna cross paths with a wolf that will attack. If you do your screwed cause there is more than one.

Personally i think you have the big dogs for lack of your own confidence with all this talk of big dogs and figthing wolves.

This is not a german shepherd - "The East European Shepherd was created from German Shepherds, whom were mixed with local northern breeds, molosses and some other breeds".

There are a lot of big working breeds - St. Bernard for e.g. Size used to be considered great at that time for their job. Not anymore though. The argument is not for bigger dog or smaller dog is better at work. It is the type of work. What a Rat Terrier did for cloth mills can not be done by a GSD and vice-versa.

[quote]i did above. the one with mentality to protect. not some sch dog or oversized dog. the dog that has real fight and protective instinct.[/quote]



Thank you!

"My question was not being answered!!!" (Shtal)

That's because your question is a load of fantastical nonsense.

No one here needs protection for themselves from wolves.  They don't attack people.  They might eat your livestock, or your little pets if you leave them out, and that's why people keep a medium large dog that barks really loud -- that's all that's needed.  A lone wolf is not going to pick a fight with a GSD.  You keep trying to come up with these impossible scenarios to somehow, desperately prove your point, and it's just kind of pathetic Shtal.  

Do you know what a lot of people here keep to protect their livestock from wolves?  A donkey.  Are you going to ask us next which would win a fight, the oversized GSD or the donkey? 

Nobody says you can't like oversized GSDs Shtal.  You might as well quit flailing around and trying to convince us that giant GSDs are something special, though, because anyone who has experience with them (notice my story up above?) isn't going to believe it.   The only people who are impressed with oversized GSDs either don't know much about the breed, don't particularly care about function, or just want a big dog "because".  That description really doesn't apply to people on this board.   You're also trying to reinvent the wheel with your "custom" giant GSDs.  There are people all over North America producing "King Shepherds" that are oversized, long haired GSDs, and quite distinct from Shiloh shepherds. Nothing new, not news.

And now I'm being a repetitious bore, so I'm going to step out of the thread.  Keep arguing all, it's entertaining.  Or not, just as you choose.  Time to go exercise the dog.

I'm still waiting the final answer from Jackal73 about my last questions and then I'm done!


Don't give up Jackal73. I need the truth - and the truth is near!!!!

 No one is dodging anything Shtal, you're just ignoring what doesn't suit you. Mariaartashes has already said that no one uses the Ovcharka for much of anything other than as a companion/home guard anymore because the drives simply aren't there.  I can't confirm or deny because I'm not located in that part of the world, but I'm willing to take the word of a poster with direct knowledge, particularly since I've never seen or heard of anyone using and Ovcharka for sport or working competition at higher levels.  There are all sorts of Eastern European competitors in things like Mondio and they're all using GSDs, Malinois, or Dutch shepherds.  The Israelis do a lot of work that involves using dogs as real man stoppers and they appear to favor Malinois at the moment.  Local people having fun at their Schutzhund club really doesn't count -- by that standard my dog's a champion!  (No he's not.  His nerves are a wreck even if he can do the exercises in theory.)  People aren't using the Ovcharka for police or military work, or dog sport, or for other working competition like herding.  What does that say about the breed?  Here comes that word again: useless.  So you might want to stop espousing Ovcharka as support for your claims about oversized GSD.

You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and it's just *silly* Shtal.  You can call me hard headed all you like, or far worse names if you prefer, I'm not about to take offense.  I am trying to interject some reality into your arguments, though, because you seem to have trouble seeing past your own gigantic baseless pre-supposition.  Everyone else isn't responding because they can't be bothered, and frankly that's the wiser course, but I've just been wasting some free time online in any case.

Good night (or day, or morning, whatever it is in your part of the world).