I'm a backyard breeder........... - Page 9

Here's my $ .02

I did my research before buying, I spent a lot of time on this messageboard asking questions (under "Newbie"), and we talked to a lot of breeders before buying our male.

You apparently didn't learn much with your "research"

We bought Hannibal from a couple who just wanted to have fine GSD's and aren't interested in breeding. The dogs just did what dogs do before they had them spayed/neutered and we were lucky enough to buy one of their puppies (Hannibal) as he's a wonderful GSD who has a wonderful bloodline.

An accidental breeding??

"wonderful bloodline"....what do you base this on?  He has several generations of untitiled dogs with no hip certs.

Hannibal is 100 Pounds??... And you feel the need to boast about it under his comments....In that picutre he's at least 10-15 lbs overweight!!  I can make my 75lb GSD 100lbs if I over feed him too.

I'm not a showline person but your Female appears to have a decent pedigree.  You would get far less critisizm if you neutered your male and paid for a QUALITY stud...perhaps one with titles and hip/elbow certs.

I'm sure you love your male and think the world of him but he is nothing more than a pet that should be neutered.

JMO

Well. I was going to post but GSDfan covered it pretty well.

I bought my first GSD in 1993 from a backyard in Cloverdale.  They did not xray. Fortunately, from the grandparents on back, most of the dogs had OFA or "a" stamp.  They did have two dogs with good looks, good health and fabulous temperaments.

He had Marko Cellerland in the 5th  &  8th, Don Rolandsteich in the 4th, BS V1-Enno vom Antrefftal in the 5th & 6th & 7th & 8th,  Bernd Lierberg 8th, 8th, Caralon's Phantom Lebarland 6th & 7th.

I didn't know anything at all, he was my first dog. I may not know very much now, but I would never just buy a GSD from a backyard that my neighbor found in a newspaper ad.

I was seriously lucky.  He was very healthy-he lived to be 13.  He was a very, very good dog.




Lucky me,

Michele

 Not to derail, but seems the OP has left the building anyway. MICHELE....that dog is very similarly bred to Caleb!! He's a Don g-grandson, has Marko in 5th, 6th, and Bernd a whole bunch of times starting in gen. 7.  This is what I was alluding to w/Charlie, who never would give me an answer on what generation qualified a dog as dog from "Dog X". Caleb is a bit of an oddity being that he's fairly young to have those dogs even that close up, not that 5-7 is THAT close...but criminy....those dogs have been dead longer than I've been alive. 

Jenni78:

You seem to be a bit lost in the woods and seem to be too busy looking at the trees to figure out where is the forrest.  Let's begin from the very basic.  Bloodline is when a dog's linneage on his father's side ascends through every male to a particularly signifficant dog.  In this case, Marko.  I do believe that it is quite difficult (impossible?) to find a a Marko bloodline dog at this time thusmaking a Marko male a signifficant commodity and (as long as he is also a fine specimen) worthwhile of breedingto perpetuate the bloodline.  Having your dog linebred "N" number of times to this or that dog is not material to whether or not your dog is a Marko or Canto bloodline since all those fine ancestors may be in the maternal ascendency.  Therein lies the reason why you are not feeling that your queries have been answered.

As to my "cry me a river" comment, I suspected that you would not "get" my reply.

Don't knock yourself... Assuming that you were born in 1978, you're not that old yet.  I was already in the military by then.  Listen to Gustav. He's a great source of knowledge.  I, on the other hand, don't consider myself  a great source of knowledge, but I do know how to research and have no issue with any ignorance I may have as long as I can reserach the matter..

 I'm sorry if you do not understand my question, and I'm sorry you have such an attitude about it. It also seems that you may be too old to change that, and for that, I am also sorry.

 I asked you a simple question about something you brought up early on, and you never would answer/justify it. 

I was merely curious because that (bloodlines "x" generations back) is an excuse that many BYBs use to justify their breeding. You brought it up as a good reason, and I'm trying to see what, in your book, since YOU wrote the post, would qualify. 

But I give up. It's probably better at this point for you to just condescend me and pretend I'm stupid rather than admit that you didn't understand what/why I was asking. 


When I have a question for Gustav, I call Gustav. He's quite knowledgeable and very easy to communicate with.

One of the things that is going on unintentionally with properly bred "improve the breed" GSD's is that the gene pool is narrowing.  That is why the Marko Cellerland bloodline is lost.  He wasn't "popular" enough.

The other thing that is in Shadows pedigree is German origin dogs that went into acutal working herding dogs on ranches in the west and southwest.  I spoke to the owner of one of these dogs and she was so happy to hear about Shadow.

Michele

 Yep- narrowing because the crusaders are all breeding the same stuff, over and over and over again...and IMO, much of the time, for the wrong reasons. 

Well Jenny78, you asked the question and used the term "Bloodlines", as opposed to sires/studs, to frame your query.  Bloodlines does not apply to "x" generations back.  Thus your question was answered within the flawed confines it was posed in.

Here is a list of bloodlines:
Quanto von der Wienerau
Canto von der Wienerau
Mutz von der Pelztierfarm
Nico vom Haus Beck
Vello zu den Sieben Faule
Frei von der Gugge
Greif zum Lahntal (D)
Ingo von Rudingen
Marko vom Cellerland
Don vom Rolandsteich
Ex vom Riedstern
Wicko von Meran
Edo von der Falkensteinsäge
Condor vom Falkenwappen
Seigo v. Angerholz
Acco vom Bungalow
Ari vom Neffeltal
Alf vom Körnersee
Cäsar von der Malmannsheide
Ulbert vom Elfenbeinernen Turm
Benno vom Giesental
Eros vom Busecker Schloß
Apoll vom Neffeltal
Ziggo vom Bungalow (West)
Danny von Haus Blitz
Arno vom Strohdeckerberg

Those bloodlines that have become extinct, have been a loss to the breed.  Were I to have one of the few remaining males in a dwindling (Marko for the sake of this argument, although I also like Eros and Frei) bloodline, and if the dog were of certain quality (depending on the numbers of the remaining specimens), I'd consider such a male more breed-worthy than a more "improved" Canto or Quanto bloodline dog of which there is a veritable army to pass on their traits.  The value is that it helps to avoid the genetic funnel effect that has taken hold of the SL's where the vast majority of today's more desired SL's sires go back to Canto, Quanto or, in ever lesser numbers, Mutz.

I don't get into arguments with folks as to whether or not they should breed their dogs.  Until there is a law that constrans you, that is your right to do, regardless what anyone here may think.  The market does a pretty good job of policing itself and in order to charge top dollar, you may well have to do all the things that are required of a breeder of $2K puppies.  At such price, any bad breeding policies will become known quickly.

As to the age and condescension cracks, I can live with your opinion and its impact upon my existence.  BTW, you may have forgotten "arrogant".

Thanks for the list of bloodlines. Now I have lots of studying to look into. Here's a stupid question: If the term bloodlines describes an unbroken paternal line, can a maternal line also be linebred? Has it? What about Flora or Palme? What would their lines be called? Or am I misunderstanding something?