Eastern European lines German Shepherds - Page 9

Shtal,
YOU are the biggest "question dodger" on here. What a hypocrit!

[quote]I can't confirm or deny[/quote]

Good, because you don't know for sure, but just speculation on your side.

Here is what few things I learned here.

1. SCH titiles is just for sport only, nothing more and nothing less. (Useless to me in the real world)
2. GSD with Mentality to protect; the dog that has real fight and protective instinct.
3. Oversize is slower but not useless in many cases
4. Standard size GSD is what people prefer for the most part. (Best for the job)
5. Giant size is the best family companion.


Well, have a best of the best time with all of your dogs people.

Sorry and take care.

Shtal:)

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This is best.....Thank you again!!!!!
the one with mentality to protect. not some sch dog or oversized dog. the dog that has real fight and protective instinct.

[quote]the one with mentality to protect. not some sch dog or oversized dog. the dog that has real fight and protective instinct.[/quote]

I would like to share something; I already did before, but I will tell this story again.

Long time ago my brother was taking a walk on the street with our standard size working line 80 pound GSD on the leash, my GSD don't have and never did have useless SCH tittles and never competed.

But their was Saint Bernard behind the fence on his own property, some-how saint bernard broke a fence gate and got out. So my brother got very scare and thought this 80 pound GSD is dead. But something interesting happend, when saint bernard attacked and jumped, my dog dodge the attack, turned around and grab saint bernard by the throat, he started shocking him, saint bernard try to shake him off, but it was useless, few minutes later this big dog fell on the ground, owner of this big dog run out of the house.

Short story goes; my dog let him go, saint bernard was ok, my dog had real fight and protective instict without SCH title.

Good night and take care everyone.

Shtal is out:)

untill  you title a dog and work a dog you will never ever understand.. so this is pointless and absolutelly stupid to even try to explain.

You will never understand, you cant, cause you have no clue and no hands on.

Pack

People aren't using the Ovcharka for police or military work, or dog sport, or for other working competition like herding.

No, Jackal73, it's wrong. On video you can see this dogs in police, army and training and for today...

Giant sized is the best family companion? That is a complete matter of opinion/personal preference and  if you home is large enough to accomodate your family and the giant sized dog. Some people do not even want a HUGE dog indoors. Especially if they have small children and don't want the dog accidentally knocking the children down, or swiping the coffee table clean with their tail.

This sheepdog is traditional dog. For very long time it was only one working race in Russia...

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People aren't using the Ovcharka for police or military work, or dog sport, or for other working competition like herding.

No, Jackal73, it's wrong. On video you can see this dogs in police, army and training and for today...[/quote]



Thanks very much, at least one person thinks here Jackal73 in wrong,

Thank you again!



I'l bet people here play two face roll, so they will not deny what Jackal73 thinks and ignore what video clips says.



I think Jackal73 will no longer respond, because 3 people don't agree with him here and that is good.


Don't worry Jackal73 I don't have a hard feeling against you or anybody else here. Good Luck and sorry for everything what you or anybody don't agree or what I said.


Shtal is Out:)

 "No, Jackal73, it's wrong. On video you can see this dogs in police, army and training and for today..." (Mariaartashes)

O.K., but I was paraphrasing what you said when you said:

"We lost this breed. Now it is not those dog, wich we remember. Not so good work. They have not drive. Today it is not interesting, such dogs. Only for security home, but without drive..." (Mariaartashes)

But on rereading the thread I caught where you said:

"Сuriosly, but this dogs used in Army and Police and today. Not so oft (mostly - show-GSD).
In Russia work often with dogs, wich owner give out. What dog you become - with this you will work...
EEShepherds was main guard dog for 50-80 jears! And today people buy them as security dog, but..." (Mariaartashes)

I suppose I had retained the last bit and missed the first bit where they're still used -- sorry for misrepresenting what you said! It's interesting, certainly.  It still doesn't prove much of anything about the real utility of GSDs over 100 lbs.  because what I'm gathering from what you're saying is that people use them because they're available, not necessarily because of preference for physically demanding tasks aside from home security.  (Please correct me if I'm wrong on this -- I suspect we're playing double blind in understanding each other.  English isn't my first language, so I'm translating what I'm reading in my head.  If you're translating what you're writing, and then I misread what you wrote... well, it's like a puzzle game where what you get out at the end doesn't look at all like what went in at the beginning!)

"Good, because you don't know for sure, but just speculation on your side." (Shtal)

No, it's an inference based on evidence, as opposed to your contention that your oversize dog = "rare, better, or just as good" in the complete absence of evidence to support it, and ample evidence to the contrary.  I infer, you construct elaborate fantasies.  There's a bit of a difference there Shtal, not the least of which is I don't particularly care about the outcome.  You're hacking this argument based on a *different breed*.  Close to the GSD, yes, but not the same because they deliberately crossed in other things other than just breeding oversized GSDs. So where does that leave us?  No where.

"You dodge my question 2. That is rude!" (Shtal)

I didn't see your Question 2 because it's in tiny print and jammed together at the bottom compared to the rest of the comment.  Please try to keep everything the same size for clarity, instead of screaming with huge font and making other bits comparatively tiny.  You can use bold or italic or colour for emphasis without having to make bits completely different sizes.  As for #2 I actually agree with yoshy, but not in a way that will make you happy.  Schutzhund isn't real life because real protection work is different and dogs that are good at sport often aren't good at real life protection, and vice versa.  It doesn't mean diddly to the utility of your oversized couch potatoes, though, because they aren't doing real life work either. (Split in two...)