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by patrick on 13 June 2009 - 23:06
Dave, I don't think people are listening out there! the silence is deafening, There has been some radical suggestions!!!!!! has anyone got a comment, for, or against, there are many members of many clubs, do you have any comment!! if you think what is proposed is sensible or crap, at least say something. at least debate the merits or weakness of such changes. There are many top kennels out there, I don't want to name YOU!! Please, help, it sometimes needs a lead to get things moving. How long can you be pleased at traveling say 200 miles plus, to win a class of say 2-3 entries. when did you last win a class of 40 plus. your input is needed. Bill Owen.
by Videx on 14 June 2009 - 00:06
Bill: The people that lead our breed, particularly at Breed Council level are "small" people. They are simply NOT up to leadership, formulating a plan or taking any plan forward. They do little or nothing, because that is all they can do. They are SILENT because they have NOTHING to say and NOTHING to contribute. They will simply allow are breed show scene to disintegrate much like they have always done. They nod and smile with the Kennel Club, because they feel they have no other choice, they have no assertion and no substance. They want to positions, the recognition of their positions, but they cannot FILL the requirements of their positions. Throughout my life I have seen these people. Maggie Thatcher sorted large numbers of them out from 1979, unfortunately these weaklings always lay just below the surface and fill the vacuum whenever it arises. Its like filling a liquid drink with fizz, it may be a different drink but its only gas, with no substance whatsoever. I expect NOTHING from such people except meaningless tinkering.
by Joyce on 14 June 2009 - 00:06
For what it's worth here's my twopeneth
We have not shown now for several years due mainly to Eddie's work commitments,
The work and commitment we would put into our dogs to show them amongst strong competition was worth every effort, We have since been offered the opportunity to own good youngsters to show but I see no satisfaction competing in a class of 2 / 4 animals.
Major awards are now being won with a total entry of what used to be numerically the class entry
I think what has been suggested makes good sense,
If by having a show a month the entry and competition increases surely any awards will have more value.
We have not shown now for several years due mainly to Eddie's work commitments,
The work and commitment we would put into our dogs to show them amongst strong competition was worth every effort, We have since been offered the opportunity to own good youngsters to show but I see no satisfaction competing in a class of 2 / 4 animals.
Major awards are now being won with a total entry of what used to be numerically the class entry
I think what has been suggested makes good sense,
If by having a show a month the entry and competition increases surely any awards will have more value.
by Videx on 14 June 2009 - 00:06
I fully understand your point Joyce, however there are those who think that "winning" is everything, no matter what the competition is in numbers or quality. Indeed there are people who simply enjoy racking up wins and getting their prefixed dog on annual charts. These people positively love the current situation, because they fool themselves into thinking their success is as meaningful as 20 years ago, when classes of between 40 and 60 were quite common. Unfortunately these people are somewhat numerous amongst current exhibitors. They should learn the difference between "fools gold" and "real gold".
by jaymesie51 on 14 June 2009 - 08:06
Hi David i agree with you whole heartedly about the current situation we need to do some thing if we want our show scene to gain in numbers and Bill you are 100% correct in what you say we need all current breeders/exhibitors etc to come out and tell us what they think give us some suggestions/ input on the way to a better show scene hiding in the cupboard waiting for some one else to do/say it does not help i like the idea of one champ show per month, also regonalisation sounds they way to go to strengthen our clubs etc but this all needs debated and also the gsd breeders accredited scheme is for me a great idea and i hope the BC can see its worth and not sweep it under the carpet over the last few months there has been some great ideas passed about on here it would be fantastic if we were to see some of them come to fruition
Jim h
Jim h
by Videx on 14 June 2009 - 12:06
Regionalisation and ONE GSD Breed Club Championship Show each month, have already been swept under the carpet by the Breed Council. BOTH these suggestions and OTHER excellent suggestions have been to the Breed Council over very recent years, the Breed Club CH. Show each & every month was strongly supported,
THEN THE BC ELECTED OFFICERS DID THEIR USUAL THING - THEY IGNORED THE BREED COUNCIL DECISION, and let it disappear into the history of useless Breed Council meetings and decisions.
This tells you ALL everything you ALL need to know about the GSD Breed Council.
Stop subscribing to the Magazine, and ALL GSD Breed Clubs should resign from the Breed Council.
Then ORGANISE a National Meeting of GSD Breed Clubs, and SET UP a NATIONAL GSD FORUM, to discuss and agree a PROGRESS PLAN FOR THE GSD IN THE UK.
On the agenda could be: REGIONALISATION - MERGING OF GSD CLUBS, - ONE BREED CLUB CH. SHOW EACH MONTH - SELECTING GSD CLUBS FOR ANNUAL CH. SHOWS - ESTABLISHING A CC ROTA FOR THE REMAINING BREED CLUBS. - THE ACCREDITED GSD SCHEME - REGIONAL BREED WARDENS - NATIONAL BREED WARDEN - A NATIONAL GSD COUNCIL made up from REGIONAL DELEGATES. - OUTSIDE ATTRACTION. - HANDLER DEVELOPMENT AND LIST.
We also need to persuade the KC to address the huge imbalance between annual sets of CC's for General CH. Shows and sets of CC's for GSD Breed Club CH. Shows. Based of the last 12 years ENTRIES, the Breed Clubs should easily have the greater number of annual sets of CC's, YET it is the other way around. The General CH. Shows have 19 sets and the Breed Clubs have 13/14 sets. THIS NEEDS TO BE REVERSED. The GSD Breed Clubs should have 19 sets annually, and the General CH. Shows 13/14 sets. Can you begin to imagine how our Breed Club Shows throughout the UK could dramatically improve with the USE OF THOSE EXTRA SETS OF CC's ANNUALLY?
THEN THE BC ELECTED OFFICERS DID THEIR USUAL THING - THEY IGNORED THE BREED COUNCIL DECISION, and let it disappear into the history of useless Breed Council meetings and decisions.
This tells you ALL everything you ALL need to know about the GSD Breed Council.
Stop subscribing to the Magazine, and ALL GSD Breed Clubs should resign from the Breed Council.
Then ORGANISE a National Meeting of GSD Breed Clubs, and SET UP a NATIONAL GSD FORUM, to discuss and agree a PROGRESS PLAN FOR THE GSD IN THE UK.
On the agenda could be: REGIONALISATION - MERGING OF GSD CLUBS, - ONE BREED CLUB CH. SHOW EACH MONTH - SELECTING GSD CLUBS FOR ANNUAL CH. SHOWS - ESTABLISHING A CC ROTA FOR THE REMAINING BREED CLUBS. - THE ACCREDITED GSD SCHEME - REGIONAL BREED WARDENS - NATIONAL BREED WARDEN - A NATIONAL GSD COUNCIL made up from REGIONAL DELEGATES. - OUTSIDE ATTRACTION. - HANDLER DEVELOPMENT AND LIST.
We also need to persuade the KC to address the huge imbalance between annual sets of CC's for General CH. Shows and sets of CC's for GSD Breed Club CH. Shows. Based of the last 12 years ENTRIES, the Breed Clubs should easily have the greater number of annual sets of CC's, YET it is the other way around. The General CH. Shows have 19 sets and the Breed Clubs have 13/14 sets. THIS NEEDS TO BE REVERSED. The GSD Breed Clubs should have 19 sets annually, and the General CH. Shows 13/14 sets. Can you begin to imagine how our Breed Club Shows throughout the UK could dramatically improve with the USE OF THOSE EXTRA SETS OF CC's ANNUALLY?
by jaymesie51 on 14 June 2009 - 14:06
OK i dont understand how if an elected council are given a mandate for change which is voted on and passed why nothing happens the council are not the BC the members are and if something has been voted on and passed then that should be acted upon by the council and if they do not act upon it then get rid of them they only hold the possition because they were voted on to represent what the members want
jim h
jim h
by Videx on 14 June 2009 - 16:06
Delegates from the GSD breed Clubs do NOT remove them, because no one else wants the Secretary's position, and they do NOT want to remove an elderly woman who has been secretary of the BC for 20 years, and the secretary knows this. They pass the suggestions to a BC "working party" - these are traditionally and historically the "graveyard" of suggestions accepted and processed by the BC delegates.
It goes like this: the suggestion need to be formulated into a detailed proposal for the Breed Council, so they ensure that several of those elected onto the "working party" are against the suggestion or weak enough to influence into burying the suggestion or mess it up, so then it simply becomes history. Four months or more later the next Breed Council meeting simply "overlooks" what the agreed previously and accepts a dismissive reference to the original suggestion.
Remember there are many ways of "skinning a cat" - and those with influence in the BC simply invent a few more when they want to. Doing a little as possible, and avoiding change, seems to be the hidden agenda.
It goes like this: the suggestion need to be formulated into a detailed proposal for the Breed Council, so they ensure that several of those elected onto the "working party" are against the suggestion or weak enough to influence into burying the suggestion or mess it up, so then it simply becomes history. Four months or more later the next Breed Council meeting simply "overlooks" what the agreed previously and accepts a dismissive reference to the original suggestion.
Remember there are many ways of "skinning a cat" - and those with influence in the BC simply invent a few more when they want to. Doing a little as possible, and avoiding change, seems to be the hidden agenda.
by jaymesie51 on 14 June 2009 - 17:06
Then why not make sure any proposal is duly formulated before submission so that once passed it can be put into action straight away as you say David their are indeed many ways to skin a cat do not give them the chance to pass it to anybody you tell the top of the table that this is what the members want and to act on it right away there and then if necessary
jim h
jim h
by Videx on 14 June 2009 - 20:06
jim h. Please look at the LISTED AGENDA I have placed above for a National GSD Forum, it is impossible to word any of those items in a way which would be acceptable in one document to the majority of delegates at a Breed Council meeting. In the event it was possible, the officers would state that ALL member Clubs would need the proposal/suggestion to be circulated because the majority of Clubs are NOT present at the Breed Council meeting. Remember thee are normally less than 10 clubs delegates that attend.
I would also add Jim that most people have NO experience whatsoever in preparing, handling and processing proposals for meetings, so they look at such issues in naive simplicity, and are steamrollered by an officious secretary. Naivete is rampant within our breed.
I would also add Jim that most people have NO experience whatsoever in preparing, handling and processing proposals for meetings, so they look at such issues in naive simplicity, and are steamrollered by an officious secretary. Naivete is rampant within our breed.
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