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by Adreya on 31 July 2010 - 13:07
OK, time to put my two cents in on this subject because I am sick of self appointed "experts" with tunnel vision disparaging any breeding other than their own idea of what a GSD should be.
For a limited number of sport or show enthusiasts, breeding for a versatile, well rounded GSD by combining diverse bloodlines is considered bad breeding; however, the vast majority of GSD owners don't want a single purpose dog. If you want a sport dog-great; if you want a show dog-great; but if you want an intelligent, versatile companion- that's great as well.
I, for one, didn't want a GSD bred specifically for sport or show. I am a single woman living on a large acreage in a rural area with livestock to tend, so I need a GSD that can fend off predators, herd the cattle, and be relied on for personal protection. I am also a first responder volunteer for my state homeland security, so I need a GSD able to track lost children and survivors of natural disasters. On a personal level, I suffer from a severe form of Lupus. Although I am healthy most of the time, when I suffer a flare up, I am so debilitated I can't stand or walk on my own and need a GSD trained as a mobility service dog that is content to remain quietly at my bedside until I'm well again. As a service dog, he has to be calm, obedient, and friendly toward people in public settings.
Fortunately, I have found the perfect GSD, and he is a combination of West German showlines and American showlines. Both his parents are working ranch dogs, and his sire has received 3 major reserves in the AKC ring even though he doesn't have the rear angulation of the American dogs and hated the show ring preferring to be outdoors with the cattle and horses.
My boy, Chase, is absolutely gorgeous and has eagerly done anything I've asked of him. He excels at tracking and as a Service Dog. He is everything I dreamed of, and I feel so very lucky to have found him.
by ALPHAPUP on 31 July 2010 - 16:07
by OK GSD LOVER on 31 July 2010 - 17:07
by Rik on 31 July 2010 - 22:07
Guess I have a lot to learn.
Thanks,
Rik
by Jeff Oehlsen on 01 August 2010 - 03:08
Most people don't really do all that much with their dogs. So, the breed survey is really a show thing, and full correct mouths and whatnot is bs.
The first thing to do is to stop worrying about show lines being crossed ad bla bla bla. Go to a club, any kind of club and see what dogs they have. Then go to another club, maybe a Sch club and look at that. I have said this so many times I need some sort of cheat. LOL
Find out what kind of dog it is that YOU like. It will change, trust me on this. As you figure out what it is that you want to do with your dog, you will see things that you would want differently for the next dog. If you did your work right, it is not going to be huge things. This is just how it goes. This is kinda why when I see breeders that have been in the breed for 3 years, I want to choke them. ot long enough to have a clue what it is you think a dog should be. Of course, there are many that will ever know and always breed. : )
The Czech dogs seem to have this occasional show cross in there here and there. I am not the expert on that line, but I have seen a few pedigrees and have been told this or that is a show dog. Doesn't always mean it is bad, but I am pretty sure their selection test is way better than what you see most of the time. There are also some show line dogs that worked well with working line dogs from Germany. UWE something or other, sorry brain in not working real well in the memory dept, can be seen in some nice working dog pedigrees.
Get out and LOOK. Don't go by how pretty the dog is, go by what people say. watch the dog work.
Good luck.
by jjames on 01 August 2010 - 03:08
by charlie319 on 01 August 2010 - 18:08
It may be that WL/SL crosses may get a bit more defense drive than your average SL dog to go along with the prey drive and result in a dog that innitiates contact in prey drive but swithces to defense when closing... Because you are breeding dogs that are further apart than if you were breeding within either line, a breeder may have to be more concientious of what each parent brings to the table in terms of drives, but a lot of breeders don't delve into that and breed on the basis of what physical type is likely to arise out of such mating.
My male, Ares, is a 60-65% Show-lines with about 35% DDR/Czech Working Lines combination. He's well matched to my temperament. At two years of age, he's quite laid back, but will man-up in a blink and will stand down quickly. His structure is sturdy and very correct, although he's a little too stout for today's show-ring. His temperament around the home is excellent towards me and very protective territorial of the home but will stand down when told by me or my Girl Friend. Outside, he's playful and tolerant with kids and tolerant of most adults. However, if he thinks you are stalking us, he'll react accordingly.
I also have a SL female that is younger and very well bred and her behavior and drives contrast deeply with my male's. However, whe is also protective. Does it mean that one is better than the other? Not at all. They are just different in their temperament, but are both good dogs and I wouldn't part with either of them.
by katjo74 on 02 August 2010 - 00:08
by Jeff Oehlsen on 02 August 2010 - 03:08
I don't see this in working lines. Maybe that is why there is so much opposition. Showlines don't necessarily add, generally speaking.
by Kennel von Lotta on 02 August 2010 - 03:08
It's not true that top breeders do not do these crosses. Just looking at Javir's progeny. How about "vom Wildsteiger Land" : http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/539532.html
Or d'Ulmental breeding their VA6 (BSZS) female Benny to Javir? http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/607679.html
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