showline bred with workingline - Page 44

Why does it come to this always. I mean somebody starts a brilliant thread, then suddenly after a lengthy disccusion...i am sorry i CAN'T say that it was an healthy discussion considering the language and the way the points have been put accross. IT JUST STOPS.

I wish through after using up 22 pages on the database we could have got somewhere. "POOF" Nada!!!

From whatever i have read my understanding of a German Shepherd is, a dog of complete balance when it comes to its appearance and its temperament. When i say this. I do agree that there are SOME "SL" that have weak nerves, but at the same time...there are a few "WL" dogs which are ticking time bombs.

For what its worth, i would like to see some more dogs that are a fine combination of a WL and SL dog. I am absolutely sure that there are responsible breeders who would and are doing something on the same.

All the best. TC

Since this thread has been bumped - I have bred a couple show X working line litters and have been very pleased with them.  I like the combination for good looking dogs with good temperaments, good drive levels and good structure/bone, good pigment, - they have plenty of temperament and drive to do whatever work the owner chooses to do with the dog, and are still calm enough to be awesome family companions.

In fact I have a new show X working litter - Working-line V-Bandit v Wolfsheim Schh3,FH,KKl-1,a-normal X show-line V-Oxana v Lastal Schh3,FH,KKl-1,a-normal.  Oxana is a large, strong looking female who is very nice in the work with supurb temperament.  Puppies are beautiful, dark black and red and red sable.

molly
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

I too like the showline/workingline crosses. The ones that I have seen have been very nice. My male that I have now is mostly showline with some DDR mixed in. He has good drives in all 3 phases. The 6 week old litter that I have now is a combo of showline and workingline (Czech).

 So you turn the thread into an ad ? LOL 

Quote: Why does it come to this always. I mean somebody starts a brilliant thread, then suddenly after a lengthy disccusion...i am sorry i CAN'T say that it was an healthy discussion considering the language and the way the points have been put accross.

So what is it you are trying to say ? You are confused as once someone has used the word ****, your brain shuts down as it cannot believe that the word was used ? Is that it ? Or, was it that people did not speak the way that you want them to, and how they got their point across was not to your liking ?

So I take it that after 22 pages, you learned absolutely nothing from this thread, as there were curse words like **** or whatever, AND that people have a strong opinion about things and did not show peace and love ?

Of course a thread like this is going to go up in smoke. They always will. The best showdog I have seen working in the last ten years was mediocre at best. For me, breeding mediocre is wrong no matter what, and I am discussing things and my opinion is that breeding to crap for the sake of pretty is retarded. I will argue my point, knowing that I will not change one fucking thing as far as what people think.

Look at graf, she knows the money is in the show dogs, and so she is going to try and incorporate that into her business, and slowly head towards the show dogs. Why breed dogs that you can get 1 dollar for, when you can breed dogs and get 3 dollars for them, and they are easier to keep, as they are doorknobs ?

Working line breeders that breed for stronger dogs are going to get a ****load of them back, as people always want Godzirra, until the little lizard shows up at the airport, sees that they are a little bitch and starts handing them their ass from there. There are collectors out there that want a dog from ________ just so that they can say that they have a pup out of that dog. They won't train it, most of them do not, most people on here do not train their dogs, but love to talk like they do. It is always how it is. People like the "idea" of training, and owning Godzirra, but the reality is the dog will live in a kennel, or get sent back. LOL

Quote: BOTH lines are at fault in the genetic bottleneck they've caused.

Myth and bullshit are called on the genetic bottleneck. I hear that from statisticians and people that do not breed. 

Merry Christmas.

Moderator?  Personal attacks or whatever - both Jeff and Daryl are typical "internet bullies" - BOTH of whom have never done anything impressive (or even anything "noteworthy") with any dog, any litter, in any venue.  They do like to talk "big" on the internet though, that's for sure.

I'm very sure that anyone who owns one of my dogs, or plans on getting one, are extremely  happy with their choice of breeder and dog.

molly
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

WOOOOOOW.. i don't think i ever read a thread with so many pages !! A lot of emeotions and words here.. two quick commments . i think on page 5 there was a question about HGH / Sch tilted show dogs.. WELL ... there was another GSD SHOW LINE that not only got HGH Title  [ trained by Ulf kintzel  for my good friend ...i might add ] but also got after having attained Sch 3 title ,  V2 at [? year]  Seiger Show in Germany .. Made History as the First American bred GSD to obtain the rating of V2 in Seiger show in Germany !!*** . i believe he went V1 at the NASS too . his name Galaxy [ Galaxy von Ajaye].  .. owned by on this forum known as Sunshine.. Eukenuba recruited him for one of their videos too  if i am correct .    point #2 point .. everybody is all wound up about the S xW ... first .. what is " the defintion of WORK " .. although my sxw cross  from Fado Karthago progeny  was ready at 10 months ... yes 10 months to present in  a police demo , i would not expect this of either s, w , sxw GSD .. the behavioral traits we seek for all kinds of work ... are different.. i would not desire that dog for S & R , or bomb detection .. .. ther behavioral traits are different .. we need to compare apples to apples and grapes to grapes !! so the word 'work ' is to much a generality to utilize as a criteria for the GSD !! we need talk specifics .. same about HGH [herding innate abilities] , not the ALL , maybe some ,  similar  attributes i would desire in my GSD  for police tasks. !!  e.gthe traits,  high harness and high aggression [ high motivation to bite or kill instinct].  , innately that is to say !!........ last point .. i would empirically  say  : the current day breeding practices have softened the GSD ..i think a very well agreed upon fact to the versed...  BUT  not to many years ago .. you have had  some firecracker SHOW LINE GSDs .. i know . i have had about 25 VA Germany progeny . my Odin Tanenmiese progeny weree firecrackers  , my Fanto Hirshel grandaughter [ french ring worker ] , Lasso Neuenberg/ Jeck Noricum progeny [Sch / French ring/ personal protection ] , my Yasko Farbenspiel and  Larus v Batu sons [ did some french ring, BOTH  balanced well in prey /defense !!]- Ursus had recently thrown quite a number  very good working/protection dogs !! some of the Show line ' good working blood ' still exists... Now i do not take anything away from the working lines too !!.... same feature .. can't knock all there conformation .. some lines do have very very nice structure not to be readily dismissed. .. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL ON THE PDB .. AP

An outstanding combination BORN OUT workingline and showline is

LUBECK VON DER MAHLER-MEISTER.

HIS MOTHER HAS PH 1 AND HIS FATHER PH2. (DUTCH POLICEDOG CERTIFICATES).

SEE THE INFORMATION ON LUBECK ON PEDIGREEDATABASE AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME BITEWORD AT THE EXAMINATION PH1 OF LUBECK SEE THE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE.

EXCELLENT