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Wow thats awesome theres a breeder next to me with these great dogs!!

I need to rephrase the meaning behind my last statement, so it isn't too terribly misinterpreted.  There is nothing wrong with selling a great performer and/or producer when you operate at the level of Jinopo kennels, so I would not imply that either were already evaluated as inferior breeding stock to be 'disposed of', before capturing their worth.  I have a general idea myself, and not even knowing the dog, as to how he will or can  produce, and what he will provide to the czech genepool given the females he's paired with, and know that Jiri knows far better than I what these dog's potentials may mean to their program.  When you've risen to the level of success that the Jinopo breeding program has done throughout this time, the best thing you can do for yourself and your passion for your breed, is to help spread positive influence among like-minded breeders who share similar passion.  Short of being somewhat a celebrity, it's obvious that Jiri is nonetheless inspiring to those who've met with him, and the gentleman that will be the new owner of these dogs seems genuine in his passion.  I'd wish him success.

I feel it is too soon to sell Carly off whatever the reason behind this move is, that is if the sale is confirmed.

Ibrahim

I think whatever the reason turns out to be, good or bad, they've bred him enough to get what they want from him in the end.  Plus, offered the advantage of having him in his more youthful age to a more discriminately minded breeder.

"cainidepolitie" means police dogs.
so... can anyone confirm Carly will be for sale..?
I just read through most of the pages of this thread and can I just say I too saw Carly and I really liked him, I asked that I am left with the dog on its own so I can test him. Petr was kind and walked away with my brother for a chat while I tested a number of the dogs. I was really impressed with Carly, I even videotaped that but the footage is only for my own use. Carly impressed me both as far as build and temperament, that dog stands his ground big time.
Now, as far as Carly's stamp I can only judge things based on what I see in my Desa and I must say she reminds me of Carly quite well as far as movement and she also stands her ground, is very terirotial, actually she does very serious guarding, she slams herself into the gate / fence. her movement is very good so I am setting hopes in that her hips / elbows are good, I will know soon. 

There are at least 4 kinds of breeders.
1. Idiots. Have no clue. At best do type breeding.  Benefit : None.


2.Commercial. I am not going to talk about the puppy mills here.  But the best of them put together quality sire and dam and if it works they keep breeding it . 99% of all kennels in USA are this type of a breeders. They have usually no proper knowledge of the the dogs on their pedigree and if they are smart they let someone who has to put these pairs together for them. Benefit: in best case providing quality K9 to public and are increasing quality genes in genetic pool.

3. Breed improvers. These breeders are most interested in improving genetic make up of the breed. They usually keep larger amount of the dogs. Have total knowledge of 99% of the dogs on the pedigree, know what will happen if this is combined with that, know how to compensate for problems and know practical genetics of the line they are working with. Will sell the pups in order to survive, but it is not what drives them . (I and Jinopo are such breeders). That is why they sell their top dogs after they got their genetics. These dogs are often reserved years before they are being let go to commercial breeders. That is the case with Carly and Bady and Ox  and the others. They are all reserved. Benefit: Improving the breed.

4.Arm chair generals: Just about same as group #1. Gather info on Internet and sometimes go see the dogs they talk about. Do little if any breeding. They are often right but if they are wrong they cause a lot of damage to the breed. 
Benefit: rarely outweighs the damage and rumor based misconceptions.
 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

It's too bad to see these great dogs being bought and sold through several kennels every few years. I know that breeding fine animals is also a business but dogs are not cows. Even horses form attachments to their humans.

Dogs and of all breeds, most especially German shepherds, form the strongest bond with their master most of all. We saw the story of K9 war dogs in Vietnam that were just cycled through different handlers every tour of duty and stories have it that some point the dogs just gave up forming an attachment. They still did their job but lost that spark in their eyes.

And we all know in some breeding kennel situations with too many dogs, these poor animals are just kept as breeders and have almost no quality human bonding time. I think the best situation is for a wealthy dog loving family to get one and just live their life as a family house dog if they're no longer in their physical prime. (I put in wealthy just because I know these dogs are not cheap and breeding kennels expect to get their ROI on them.) And if they're still in their prime, live their life as a working police or security dog bonded to one handler. (But they would be too expensive for a PD!)

So, DDRshep as I see  you have the heart in the right place but let's ask: "Where have you got your dog?"
Have you bought it? From  some one who breeds great dogs? Maybe not you but a lot of people do.  Why do you think that these great dogs are bought and sold. Because there are people like you who want pups from them. Probably great pups. If someone would just keep this dog and bred it 2 -3 times then it would be a disservice to the breed's genetics.
    So now  what? 
   I know that if the dog is treated well he will bond with his new owner invariably. Most stud dogs and brood bitches are treated like a royalty in their new home. Some grieve 1 day and some 4 months. But eventually they adjust. What bothers me more is where are all those dogs/pups  going...? Good home or bad home. That is out of my hands, everybody sounds good on the phone....and that is what bothers ME.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

 I think I must agree with Hans, if one loves the breed (not just one dog) then one must allow that dog to "travel" to have enough influence in the long run, as far as progenies. And yes, unfortunately everybody sounds nice on the phone....

Earlier I was reading the discussion on Carly Policia Slovakia. There was some discussion as to the uniformity of the
offsprings. I have a male pup from Carly / Wren mating that is 9 months old photo on pdb. His name is Garo z Jirkova
Dvora. In the photo he is a little over 7 months old. Before I purchased him I called Hans for his recomendation as I
Was looking for a male to mate to a female I have out of Mambo and Ajsa Bohemia Rom Pan. He said he would need
a couple of days to talk with Jiri Novotny and go over their pedagree. Hans called me back and we talked for some
time about 2 options they recommend, but the choice was mine. My point is Hans told me what to expect from both
these matings. I chose to go with the Carly / Wren pup. There was alot of things he said I could expect from this pup.
And as a credit to their foresight he is exactly as they said he would be. They knew what his character traits would be,
conformation etc. At his age he has strong defence drive slightly lower offence drive . as others post their comments
they all seem to be very much alike..     
 
Desert Dog
hank.plumlee@ gmail.com.