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Prager,

What do you think about this pair being bred together?

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http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=470382&modir=442720


Also, what do you think about Dargo Ha-Ja-Da?   His pedigree is:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/463148.html


Who would you breed to Dargo?    I know a breeder who is planning on using semen from him in the future and just would like to know which lines would be better to use his semen with.


Would you breed Dargo to Billie z Liberatore?  Why or Why not?

I want to know because I really like this female.  She has good balance drives and good civil drive.

Billie's pedigree:  

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/459052.html

Hans, what more can you tell me about Zaira Hartis Bohemia? Looks to me like a nice bitch, love her grips.
 
What breedings of Jiri's would be best for PSA, personal protection and breeding quality for further such dogs?
 
I'm not looking for points as much as natural ability, bidability, good health and an overall easy to live with dog. A clear dog with natural protection that knows when to turn it up or cool it off. I like to dabble in all sorts of stuff with my dogs, herding, my own agility and searches, hiking, hunting, PSA and of course the dog must watch my back when we are out and about or relaxing at home. I like to expose my dogs to as many things as possible, find their strengths and push them to excel in those areas.

No matter the venue, a bidable dog that enjoys pleasing it's handler, is the biggest pleasure to work with and a dog I want to spend the most time working with. So far, these are the best descriptions of a dog I have ever read...

PARD z Jirkova dvora is a member of 2nd sire's bloodline. PARD is medium large male with strong bones, required pigmentation a strong nerves. PARD is one of the last real dogs. In case of need he would not hesitate to use his teeth to stop any aggressor even if the aggressor doesn't have any equipment on. PARD can be perfectly controlled, he has excellent traits for scent work and obedience. PARD is one of few dogs that willingly and happily work on all obstacles prescribed by Czech National Title Order (ZVV). PARD has inherited the bone strength of his father and high energy level of his mother. PARD has natural active defence reaction balanced with strong prey drive. We expect PARD to produce progeny that can mainly be used at Law Enforcement.

CARLY is more than medium large and strong male with strong head, nice conformation, dark pigmentation and solid nerves. He belongs among the dogs with so called "clear head". CARLY has great willingness to work with his handler. He has so called usable capacity. This means that the entire movement potential is used to complete the required exercises fast and exactly according to the wish of his handler. CARLY has great social behavior, at the same time he is an attentive watch dog that protects his territory. CARLY has enoumously strong and hard bite.
CARLY belongs to the 5th bloodline from both sire's and dam's side. The blood is carried over world renown DDR dog INGO v. Rudingen and further over World Working Champion ORRY v. Haus Antwerpa. By using CARLY in our breeding program we pursue the return to the old working blood of former DDR dogs that were mainly renown for their willingness to work. CARLY should contribute to further improvement of conformation of our dogs, strengthening their body frame and at the same time to improve their withers.

What can you tell me about the 2 above dogs described?

Pard z Jirkova dvora

OK!!! That is a lot of questions. Yes I would most definitelly breed to Dargo. I have imported Dargo to USA and after some turbulent life, Dargo is living his last years in loving home in Florida. I am with Liberatore trying to select a bitch for A.I. We are thinking about this one:
http://alpinek9.com/Dog7.html
But it is not a done deal.
I am actually toying with an idea to do some close linebreeding on Dargo. Dargo has Fast normal hips but he is actually, according to my friend hips iprover. I got to study on this more though.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/463148.html
Dargo Ha Ja Da

I love Pard z Jirkova dvora. 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/560337.html
The problem is that he is not trendy looking.(Picture above). But what a  worker!!!! Police line producer. His hardness is defined mainly by SG Lord vom Gleisdreieck -> Balli Panta Rei connection. But there are others. This pedigree is not "sexy" by today's fad standards. I sold Balli and his daughter Yeta who is sister to Yska which is mother to Pard. Yetta just like Yska was super seriou protection dog. Mild hips issues but nothing which could not be outcrossed. Super workability though. I have never seen more intimidating dog without showing any aggression then Balli Panta Rei could dish out by sheer presence.

Carly Policia Slovakia is a trendy looking working dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/598600.html
The 3 X WUSV SIEGER Orry von Haus Antverpa is nice there . On the bottom side son of  V Held vom Ritterberg(!)  Bero vom Friedersdorfer Flur is a asset.  SG Grischa vom Schwarzen Milan
produced some bad elbows but he is pretty far back. I would not linebreed on him though or any other dogs known for this problems. and on the very bottom we have V Ingo von Rudingen
one of the founders of z Pohranicni straze line.
I am holding back  male and female pup from Carly and Galina litter. When I walk around these pups they are holding onto me like grapes. Please feel free to contact me if you are interested in or to owe  any of these lines.
Carly Policia Slovakia
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Hans, thank you for the reply. I care not much for trends. I think Pard is beautiful and postd him on the dogs that catch my eye thread. He looks like a worker, very athletic, can probably go all day. I like that he is not OVER boned or too heavy in build/deep in chest.

 

Orry Antverpa is one of my favorite dogs of all time and is 4-5,4 in both of my present dogs. Seeing Aly and all the dogs that come behind him gives me some confidence in Carly's abilities. I am not very farmiliar with the Czech or Slovak dogs yet.

I am greatful to anyone who knows or has known past dogs and is willing to share information an working ethic, temp and health for the beterment of the breed.

I only see 3 pups produced by Pard. Are there more not on the PDB? I'd like to know more on how he produces. Same with Carly.

If you'll permit me, I don't know if he can say much about Carly.  He's had about sixteen breedings or more this year, but the oldest in Feb. would put the offspring at only about 6 mo.s age.  This isn't to say he was never bred before owned by Jiri, and I would really hope so, actually.  Because, to find out about negative breeding issues after the progeny have spread about like wildfire, is too late for damage control.

I can say though, there have been very few health issues with the linebreeding on Held, which I and others have done many times without producing adverse elbows or hips.  And g-g-sire Aly is the most notable producer of quality hips for all time under the SV rating system, g-sire Faro being a known improver as well.  The greatest need for improvement in those Held linebreedings I conducted, was 'insufficient to moderate prey drive' for the application of sport, and perhaps how Orry v.h.A and Troll line could fill that gap considerably.

Thus, I'd consider Carly to probably be an overall very nice dog, so that emphasis for consideration is for the bitch he is brought to, and whether or not, or to what extent he can stamp his mark on the offspring.  I haven't examined the pedigrees he's been matched to, and doubt I would see any pattern of intent anyway.  But my hunch is, there won't be a lot of 'uniformity' in results.

Thanks for the info Daryl. Where did you find it?

What, specifically?  His ČMKU registered (Czech) breedings beginning this year are here.

Darylehret
Can you please explain this statement : But my hunch is, there won't be a lot of 'uniformity' in results.   
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com