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Alsatian... there is no such breed, it's a German Shepherd Dog.  Only our dopey KC add the (Alsatian) bit on the end.
 
"Alsatian" describes an incorrect type of animal: heavy, short legged, dippy backed.  Middle of the road is generally a correct type of animal, but sometimes shown "Alsatian fashion".  It is NOT clearly different from what's known as the correct international GSD, but it is shown differently sometimes and to the uninitiated, this makes it look like a different type.

 Thank you for your prompt reply misbeeb.

  Would I be correct then in thinking that in your opinion, a GSD is a GSD whether it is International Type/ Working Type/ Alsatian type?

There being 4 main differences between the fanciers of the 3 types.

1.Health Testing
2.Temperament Testing
2.Shape of the dog
3.The way the animal is shown in the showring

  Am I correct in my understanding so far....?

Dave

noddi-can i ask you why it is you feel that alsationist  dont enter our shows cos they don't want to-yet you keep saying we enter theirs-or at least you do.does that not tell you something.its nothing to do with double handling its to do with the type of dogs they have.i realise these arguments give you a chance to keep on about your success-but look at the bigger picture please.
 as for fayelander-what you call breed shows are by name only if they are alsationists shows.
i have a challenge for you all-enter the 2 day show at weston park this year.-not likely is it !!!!!

ps feel free to search my website-i dont have one-cos i am not interested in making a fast buck !!

But they are ALL GSD's? 



 p.s the only reason I am speaking directly to you is that you appear to be the only one engaging in this discussion at the moment...I am getting to my point...honest....no it is not an agenda....still PROMISE :)

misbeeb.......you have it in a nutshell.i,personally class my CORRECT TYPE bitch,middle of the road,as i and chiki prefer the way these persons handle at shows(calmly with no excessive pulling and running at 100mph)thats not to say others would class her as GERMANIC,especially 1 who favors the alsatian type.............GSDUK.you have also made a very good point.i too will look at an animal 1st and then decide whether it is pleasing to my eye.In fact i have said on other threads(LORNAVILLE)that i could live with Ch.Linsdown Georgia(who is classed as an ALSATIAN)i believe that some of this type are not as bad as in years gone by when i 1st started.if she had been my bitch,she would be mated to a male of complete german breeding to shorten the lenghth and improve on the leg lenghth.am probably going to get some remarks now.but so be it.Carole S.

We agree!!!!

See no nasty hidden, sinister agenda. :) I did promise there wasn't.

Here is something I posted on another forum some days ago in reply to someone else (I have amended the post only to remove the other persons user name and correct a spelling error. I need no permission to cross post as the content is all my own. I would appreciate your thoughts... Do I have a point? 

"The people "in the breed" as you put it (name deleted), are usually far too busy stating that they (whichever side of the fence they are on) own the "correct type".

The International Germanic breeders/exhibitors argue that as they health test according to the teachings of the SV and follow the lead of the GSD's country of origin regarding conformation, colouring etc etc etc that they are right and the people they choose to call "Alsatianists" are wrong.

The "Alsatianists" to reuse the phrase argue that their dogs are "correct" as they believe that the GSD should look quite differently to the International/Germanic people. Many, if not most of these people do not health test as they do not feel it necessary or that seems to be the feeling I get.

Both groups seem to feel that the German Shepherd is a different dog from an Alsatian despite the history of the creation of the name of the breed and the rewording due to the World Wars. Both feel that their type is "correct" and the other is "wrong".
Both sides of the fence equally appear to believe there are only two "types"..."Correct" and "Incorrect" and I have seen many posts from both sides stating that "there is no middle of the road" it is either "Correct" or "Incorrect".

There are some of us that love the GSD and have done for many years (I have owned GSD for 28 ) that would say that there IS a "middle of the road" and that is a GSD with no extremes whatsoever and this is the type we personally prefer. There are those of us that say "A GSD is a GSD and regardless of it's conformation, it is still a GSD".

Personally, I feel that BOTH sides are as guilty as one another for changing the GSD into something it was never meant to be in terms of conformation and as with many many breeds, the shape, temperament and stability of the GSD have been altered by mankind for the detriment of the dog in general.
Joe Public, outside the breed seems to dislike the extremes shown in some dogs on both sides of the fence as can be heard at shows for both types as well as at Crufts where both can also be seen.
Personally, I feel that while the two "types" continue to bitch and argue between themselves nothing will ever be done that will put the GSD back where it belongs...Crufts Best In Show.
BOTH types need to get their heads together and discuss in an ADULT manner, what HAS to be done to get the GSD back into the shape it should be, health tested, corrected bred to ensure healthy, happy pups that turn into healthy, happy GSD that are ALL capable of performing the many functions the GSD has proven itself in in previous decades "