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by Abby Normal on 20 December 2010 - 11:12
Just to set the record straight for you. My dog with SEVERE HD (who was the same dog who had AF) died in 2002. So I HAD a dog with severe HD. That same dog also HAD AF.
I currently have a dog with a BVA classed moderate (48) hip score, who has excellent hip scores going way back in the pedigree, so as I have said on several occasions, no-one is to blame for that, it just happens – it is unfortunate. I notice that I typed had instead of has, simple typo. I am more than happy with her, and fortunately for us both the clinical expression of HD is minimal. And I am very happy with all my other dogs that I have and have had since the first with SEVERE health issues.
I don’t have a current dog with AF and have never said that I have, so I don’t know where you got that from.
@ Mark3
Spot on!
by bazza on 21 December 2010 - 07:12
Well done Abby on adding the "had" now if I didn't have 3 witnesses who also read " have" I just might have thought I was wrong, lol. Seems you love claiming "typo" errors, normally a letter or two but full words, pull the other one,lol. You really don't like it when you're " caught out" with your little contradictions. There is a spell check for " typo" errors, but won't do you much good as it only does letters, can't add or remove full words. Hey Abby no need to dig yourself a bigger hole, other than a couple here, NO ONE believes a word or takes a word seriously, you say. lmao.
by Penny on 21 December 2010 - 09:12
So sorry to hear of your ordeal with your puppy, Qualifies again why we should be testing to lessen/eraadicate in time.
This also brings another point to the fore: There are people who will have pd puppies born and not recognise and sell them on. Result heartache.
There are people of course that will know, and still sell them on - unmanageable issue
but there are also people who will just look at their little runty puppies and euthanase thinking they are pd, when in fact all they need is more time on the "buttons" - that I think is a big worry. These people will be caring enough not to want to pass on sub-standard puppies with a disease, when in fact how many of us have seen the result of a runty puppy 12 months on, that has ended up being enormous. We need to get a grip, whether this is a smallish problem or a largish problem.....and I can only re-iterate, from Shirleys private research, she found it to be a much wider problem in the UK at least than we first thought. Mo.
by Abby Normal on 21 December 2010 - 10:12
There have been numerous good reasons TO test, put forward by some very experienced people in the breed, including geneticists and Peter Oirschott. Another good point about 'runty' pups being mistaken for dwarfs - hadn't thought of that one.
by Marge on 21 December 2010 - 11:12
marge
by Penny on 21 December 2010 - 13:12
Breeder has puppy smaller than others at 8 weeks. She/he is concerned something wrong, but pup looks well and is charging about..... which is the easiest choice
l. leave him sell him, and feel justified because he is behaving normally -
2. take him to the vet and have him pts at 8 weeks
3. keep him longer to see if anything develops before he is sold as a runt
4. give him away
5. spend £100 to see if he is a pd puppy then face having him pts
No 5 is eliminated if the mother was tested first and breeding was selective......
Mo
by noddi on 21 December 2010 - 13:12
by Red Sable on 21 December 2010 - 14:12
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
by Videx on 21 December 2010 - 17:12
Many breeders of various breeds, JRD test - many test privately.
That is how many are already doing the PD test - privately, especially their females.
There are several very good reasons for this.
1) avoids bullshit on here - they just get on with it.
2) avoids intentions remaining just that - intentions.
3) usually avoids ridiculous witch hunts and anonymous nonentities and non breeders.giving advice to VERY experienced and intelligent breeders.
4) Keeps the PD problem in perspective compared with the VAST MAJORITY of other diseases, on a scale of 1 to 10 it is around minus 10. Talk to the experts on canine diseases, they will overwhelmingly agree.
"private research"! - speak to Lyn Camden, she has been doing decades of private research into PD. There is a HUGE (forgive the pun) amount of information available about PD on the Internet.
by kesyra on 21 December 2010 - 19:12
Hi Carole
All three of those pups in the photos were dwarfs. I had three in a litter of nine, two of which were stillborn, so I ended up with three out of seven. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of them with their litter mates, but they were quite obviously very different. They weren't just much smaller, they were very backward in their behaviour too. The one on the left was the smallest and the worst affected.
It was obvious to me there was something wrong with them very early on, but I do rear my pups indoors and spend a lot of time with them. I didn't know what the problem was, but I asked the advice of a couple of very experienced breeders and they identified them immediately, so the problem of PD was around then.
It would, I suppose, be possible for a breeder who doesn't spend a lot of time with their pups to unwittingly sell one on, if they perhaps had thought they were just small.
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