RAW FED PUPS VS. KIBBLE FED PUPS- PICTURES - Page 19

I totally agree with the common sense food at Bullinger Shepherds. My Arco was raised on it from before he was born that is what his mom ate and then all the puppies ate it too! I saw a kennel of GSDs eating dry kibble and raw burger had yucky stool and tons of it everyday, dull haircoats, to eating common sense and small stool amounts and beautiful shiny coats. They looked fabulous and the health of the puppies improved greatly too. They seemed stronger, more robust and healthy! I have tried several raw foods and that is by far my favorite!!

This was way back in 1999 to 2000, I remember opening the first package and it smelled so good and you could see the veggies and other ingredients in it! The dogs absolutely loved it!!

Two Pic's of the same Pup first at 8 weeks old, second Pic around 14 weeks old, Fed on Kibble,
 Steve1

by mfh27 on 03 April 2011 - 16:04

mfh27 Posts: 16 Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 07:15 pm

UVW, I've put your statements in orange highlight "Unfortunately you can't quantify benefit from scientific studies because: a) there are too many variables," This is where randomization, large sample size, and case matching, for exampe remove the bias of confounding variables. "You don't need science.  Nature doesn't operate according to scientific studies.  You need common sense." So then what is the study of natural science?  Those in the field would disagree with you.

mfh27,

good luck with your randomization, large sample size, and case matching.  by the time science conducts such a study, or funds one, my dogs will be dead.  i would rather feed them raw now, because i know and see the benefits for myself and don't need to wait for science to catch up.

a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. 

nature does not abide by science...natural science, however, is the study of nature in attempt to explain natural phenomena. 

by the way, those of you pushing these nutritional studies and "balanced" diets, do you have any studies on dry food?  Or do you know how these nutritional studies are done?

here are a few things i found interesting.  this study had a "large sample size" of 18 dogs:  http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1704S.short

here is another study, another "large sample size" of 18 healthy dogs and 30 healthy cats:  http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/7/2041S.full 

oh good, here's another nutritional study, a "randomized controlled trial" of 39 overweight beagles:  http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full

hey, this is even better!  6 different brands of dog food were tested for nutrient digestibility.  the foods were fed to 4 minks.  oh hell, why bother using dogs.  http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2141S.full#top

this "study" starts off with 'protein ingredient costs have gone up'.  the article goes on to say "Dogs prefer animal protein as a matter of taste preference."  i would like to know which dogs they asked.  But "Very recent information suggests that taurine (found only in animal proteins and not plant proteins) may be an essential nutrient for dogs in some situati

this "study" starts off with 'protein ingredient costs have gone up'.  the article goes on to say "Dogs prefer animal protein as a matter of taste preference."  i would like to know which dogs they asked.  But "Very recent information suggests that taurine (found only in animal proteins and not plant proteins) may be an essential nutrient for dogs in some situations."  that's wonderful...so are they saying that all these years they could have been wrong?  or they haven't quite figured it out yet?  And "Zenteck (1995) observed that dogs fed meat and bone meal diet had higher concentrations of hydrogen sulfide than did dogs fed a soy-based diet, suggesting that diets containing meat protein only may result in more flatulence...".  Those are great finding.  They may fart more.  http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/articles-com...ins%20in--.pdf

and the list goes on.

i Fed him TOTW Sierra Mountain Formula, But Switched to raw yesterday (gradually)  so far no diarrhea, lets see. he takes longer eating and drink less water after, when i fed him kibble he had to drink lots of water after the meals. im giving him 80% muscle meat, 10% organs, 10% Bone. no veggies. anyway its too soon to see any improvements. (other than he wigs his tails while eating the whole time) he seems really happy to eat raw.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=700096

some more pics.

martinusta1960
You have been taken in by the Raw feeders it seems, Can you tell me what was so wrong in the condition of your Pup that made you change to Raw, He or she looks good and healthy so why change when the Pup looks so well, I hope not but you may live to regret your change but only time will tell post these Pics of the Pup now again in 4 months time and some Pic's of the dog then fed Raw for the 4 months
Steve1

martinusta1980 -
What a happy looking little guy! My dog also used to drink tons of water after meals - he doesn't on raw.

steve thanks for sharing your thoughts, i  hope i don't regret my choice. congo doesn't have any major issue other than just sheding like crazy, and his stools are substantial and smelly
(he's been dewormed). the thing is, for me its possible to feed him raw, so why stop at good when i can give him the best? and i just started anyway if anything should go wrong, i can always switch him back to quality kibble. only time will tell.

note: by the time i wrote this comment (06:39 AM eastern time), congo had not yet pooped since yesterday noon. on kibble by now he'd probably gone twice already.

Molly, thanks.